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Tamas Ferencz Dec 17, 2017 (19:25)

Atalatyanente (atalatanyente?) Ambaro anyára parmakoa. I koranari amna min húme lempe tuxa linyenwa ampano tare Kemetesse (Hakapta? Egypt, see ar avalatina né an envinyatanentes. Parmar nelde húmi neltuxa quen kime tanome, i anyára tekina min húme toldo tuxa koranari yá...

Paul Strack Dec 17, 2017 (21:11)

I don’t think intransitive atalta can be used as the basic for transitive “to ruin”. It’s root is one of the rare triconsonantal verbal stems TALAT, and I don’t think it would allow causative verbal suffixes like yā or tā.

I think you would be better off coining a neologism from G. fectha “destroy, ruin, spoil”, probably from a root PHEK, hence Q. fehta, S. feitha.

Ицхак Пензев Dec 17, 2017 (21:29)

Why not nancar-? - Eldamo : Quenya : nancar-
Egypt is Mirrandor in the NQNT.

James Coish Dec 17, 2017 (22:27)

I saw this as from ata-latya- to reopen.

Tamas Ferencz Dec 17, 2017 (22:49)

+James Coish​ bingo

Paul Strack Dec 17, 2017 (23:42)

Hmm. I should have read more to get context. When I figured out it was the Library of Alexandria, I assumed the verb was “destroyed”.

Still, why not enlatya? The form at(a)latya would imply this is only the second time it’s been opened.

Paul Strack Dec 18, 2017 (00:47)

Re: latyane vs. latanye, the rule seems to be that intransitive verbs are pure weak verbs with suffix -ne while transitive verbs use nasal infixion before the prefix. Since latya is here transitive, I would use latanye. See, for example, PE17/64.

The same rule applies to the verbal suffix -ta which can also be both transitive and intransitive.

Tamas Ferencz Dec 18, 2017 (00:54)

Ótulmanen (by coincident) min i ammaira parmaron úlume ehentanien, I Losilleva Esse, ná nyarna pá parmakoa ve sina.

Björn Fromén Dec 18, 2017 (17:35)

+Paul Strack Isn't it the other way round? Cf. oronye, oronte intransitive, ortane transitive; virinye intransitive, vistane transitive (PE 17:64; PE 17:189).

Paul Strack Dec 18, 2017 (18:58)

+Björn Fromén You are absolutely right. I switched them in my head as I was writing.

Ицхак Пензев Dec 18, 2017 (20:31)

And if I understand LVS materials correctly, levelling occured in Tarquesta, where only weak forms survived.