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Tamas Ferencz Jul 30, 2014 (10:52)

I've proposed this neologism over on FB in the Quenya Chat group; would like your opinions, too:

*hrangie 'difficulty, trouble', modeled on sangie 'necessity' from STAG-, cf, also hranga 'difficult'

P Arellond Jul 30, 2014 (16:52)

Its a good logical choice. I noticed that hranga also has a connotation of awkward. Urda / urdie would make an equally good choice as a synonym for difficulty. But without the sense of awkward. Could hrangie be used as awkwardness?

Tamas Ferencz Jul 30, 2014 (17:12)

+P Arellond
I don't know if **urdie can be derived as such from the root (I don't have PE17 with me now, can't check); I like *hrangie because it seems to have an analogue.

Matt Dinse Jul 31, 2014 (01:00)

It would depend on whether we have other examples of a noun in -ie being formed from an adjective with suffix -da (hence urda, gorð from *gur-dâ), or if it would be something like *urme instead, cp. helda/helme in VT46:3 and nilda/nilme in Etym., though both are from the 1930s.

*hrangie seems good to me, though it would have to be an editorial choice to go with hrai- (etc.) meaning "difficult" instead of "easy," like Tolkien's other waffling with "yes" / "no", nuo noa "yesterday" / "tomorrow", etc.

Tamas Ferencz Jul 31, 2014 (08:47)

+Matt Dinse
to me *urdie looks like an abstract formed from an adjective, and I cannot recall any examples of that happening; but of course I may be totally wrong.
*urme is a good alternative.

Roman Rausch Jul 31, 2014 (14:48)

Well, mornie is for instance clearly derived from the adjective morna rather than the root MOR-, so...

Tamas Ferencz Jul 31, 2014 (15:07)

+Roman Rausch
ah, quite true. So then *urdie is not inconceivable. I stand corrected.