G+ LoME Archive
Sep 30, 2017 (21:06)
My sketch of how to update the conditional sequence of QVS into post-reverse QUenya and to Sindarin (based on the introduced Noldorin hints). Starts with a transcript of QVS itself, followed by an update and a Sindarinization:
Sep 30, 2017 (21:44)
What's "post-reverse" Quenya?
Sep 30, 2017 (22:20)
What Tolkien never systematically completedL how all of this works with postposed subjects instead of preposed.
Sep 30, 2017 (22:24)
If I am reading this correctly, it looks like you are revising part of the text of QVS from the 1940s (PE22/120-122) by replacing pronominal prefixes with the more usual pronominal suffixes, and then making adaptations to Sindarin phonology. It's an interesting idea, though I think the Sindarin is a bit of a stretch.
"supposing" does reappear in Tolkien's later writings, but
"if" seems to have changed to either
eldamo.org - Eldamo : Quenya : qui
Have you considered making those changes as well?
Sep 30, 2017 (22:27)
My reasoning to make the Sindarin version based on the mentions of Noldorin in the text I already explained once, when discussing
. As for the change, I do not really wish to alter this particular set for a simple reason: all the
segments in PE22 and other do not even match every single time (and the whole text of the only normal explanation in PE22 is marked as crossed, while even the Ambidexters Sentence contradicts those).
Oct 01, 2017 (00:43)
I do like you explanation of S. aen as a derivation of ai+en. It fits rather neatly.
For you inflectional forms like S. udulaen, I think those might be too much. I strongly suspect that Tolkien mentioned ON. in the original text, rather than N., because he didn't envision this inflection surviving in later forms of the language.
, I need to go back and looking the originals. The last time I looked, I ended up favoring
, but that was quite a while ago and I no longer remember why.
Oct 01, 2017 (00:48)
I get the exact opposite out of this: all this double
trouble would make no sense if that's to describe a feature of a proto-language (albeit of historical period) that leads to the fact that stuff like that survived nowhere. The reason he does not speak of EN is trivially historical: being a comparative grammar, the text only deals with archaic forms of the languages, Noldorin has mostly ON examples (except minor cases where CE coincides with ON); Beleriandic is explored extensively and all Quenya knowledge is full of archaic and poetic forms and obviously represents an earlier, PQ-rin stage of the language.