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Hjalmar Holm Apr 13, 2015 (11:22)

I have misgivings regarding the cluster ntha- in reconstructed S words (eg *mentha- "send") *, and would prefer other solutions. The only attested ntha word that I've found is glintha-. Am I overly sceptical?

Tamas Ferencz Apr 13, 2015 (13:27)

I don't think that would be the only case where we base something on one sole attested example! As far as Sindarin goes, one attested form is outright luxury...

Paul Strack Apr 13, 2015 (16:11)

Actually, I think you are right to be skeptical. In the normal phonological development of Sindarin, primitive medial nt became nn. Compare S anna "give", Q. anta, G. antha, and S danna "fall", Q lanta, G lantha.

Paul Strack Apr 13, 2015 (16:20)

Also note that there are exceptions to this rule. Tolkien said that normally nt > nth > nh (voiceless double nn) but that the nth was preserved in spelling and sometimes restored, as in canthui "fourth" (VT42:27). In general, though, the result was nn (PE17:131, numerous examples).

Hjalmar Holm Apr 13, 2015 (20:12)

So mentha-"send, cause to go" would be menna-, which is indistinguisable from menna-"go", and then clarified as mennada-, and then contracted as mentha- once again?

Paul Strack Apr 13, 2015 (20:51)

I think it is likelier that the Sindarin cognates of Q men- "to go" and menta- "to send" are S men- and menna-.

Александр Запрягаев Apr 15, 2015 (15:22)

I never met for menna- for intransitive "to go" anywhere except Salo's movies. I think it's fair to accept men- for "go" and menna- for "send" (though this root is claimed to be characteristic for Quenya in PE17 with rare derivatives except i-ven "way"; thus men-, dadwen- could be Q. influence?)
Concerning your main question, I guess it's safe to render the mentioned verb as glinna-. I'm also suspicious of lth clusters though they are well-attested in the Etymologies, but supposed to give ll in "mature" Sindarin (And go nh, lh etc. while before a stressed vowel).