G+ LoME Archive
Aug 25, 2014 (11:48)
Over on the blue social network Isaac has been looking for NQ words "sugar", "potty", "delicious/tasty", "to crawl". I am copying my proposals from there for further comments/discussion:
'bed-bowl' (cf. chamber pot);
'full of taste',
'crawl' freq. of *lok- (LOK-, cf. Qenyaqetsa
'earthenware jar, pot' > 'pot', cf.
'earthenware jar' KERE- (QL)
Aug 25, 2014 (19:00)
The first one made me wonder, can we tell how to form an instrument-name (noun) from an A-stem verb, should one exist for "sweeten"? (If not, then a possible way around that would be to take noun meaning "sweetness" and add an element like *
N.B: Qenya Lexicon has the distinctive synonyms for "powder"
, Qe "sand") and
Etymology of the European word:
[The known verbs for "to grind" are Qe
Aug 25, 2014 (19:23)
an instrument name - or an agent? For are agents necessarily animate? Could we have perhaps
Aug 25, 2014 (20:04)
Tamas: I mused on whether it was possible to make a noun that would mean "sth. which is used to achieve/perform X-ing". (In Finnish
 is used to form these; I don't know if Hungarian has a corresponding affix.)
Aug 25, 2014 (20:16)
we use the ó/ő present participle (and adjectival) ending for that purpose:
Aug 26, 2014 (00:26)
Somehow any kind of descriptive compound sounds very artificial to me.. Sugar belongs to a group of commodities which spread along trade routes and whose names were loaned across languages rather than invented. If we have no evidence of sugar being present in Middle-earth (it doesn't appear in the LotR, that much I can say), perhaps a loan into Neo-Quenya might actually be best -
or something like that.
because of the confusion with the negative prefix (see
). One might also use
*'excellent, admirable' from PE17:163,
. Or actually simply
I cannot find QL OLOK-..
We have N.
'earthenware' (VT45:19) -> Q.
. It looks like a mass noun, but might be usable for a single jar as well.
Aug 26, 2014 (01:18)
mea culpa, not
Aug 26, 2014 (01:20)
On FB Helge cited Qenya
'delicious' as a possibility.
Aug 26, 2014 (10:34)
A good discussion. I'm still thinking over all the proposals.
And yes, I find prefix
less ambiguous than
Aug 26, 2014 (10:41)
indeed it is less ambiguous. Probably the best recourse is to use the attested words that use
'well' but consider the prefix as improductive.
Sep 01, 2014 (23:47)
Note that PE21:12,13 gives Qenya
Sep 02, 2014 (16:03)
Yes! Yes! Now I remember that I saw this word, and even put it into my notes, and
where I wrote about it, and couldn't find it.