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Ицхак Пензев, Robert Reynolds, Discussion, Paul Strack, #pet, Remy Corbin, Tamas Ferencz, #pec

Tamas Ferencz May 23, 2018 (15:24)

Concerning the Eldamo entry +#pec "nut": shouldn't this be +#pet (pec-) as we see with other Q nouns with stems ending in [k]?

+Paul Strack
Eldamo : Quenya : pec
Q. #pec n. “nut”. Q. #pec, n. “nut”. Reference ✧ PE22/155 ✧ “nut”. Element In. Q. peccuvo “squirrel, (lit.) nut-hider” ✧ PE22/155 (pekkuvo)

Paul Strack May 23, 2018 (15:33)

Good point. But it might be better to assume pece, reduced to pec- in peccuvo via haplology

Ицхак Пензев May 23, 2018 (15:39)

Or even peccë.

Paul Strack May 23, 2018 (15:41)

+Ицхак Пензев True, but pece is more likely to reduce

Ицхак Пензев May 23, 2018 (21:48)

PE21 tells us about contracted forms of some roots, like san < sambë, cas < capsë.

Paul Strack May 24, 2018 (05:50)

+Ицхак Пензев if the original form is pece, the unreduced compound would be pececuvo, and the double ec is likely to reduce via haplogy. That’s what I meant. The reductions you note above are for the final elements of compounds

Robert Reynolds May 24, 2018 (13:53)

+Paul Strack Wouldn’t pececuvo > pecuvo (cec > c) via haplology, as with ende-ndóre > endóre, ondo-ndóre > ondóre, and tuilelindō > tuilindo? The pattern seems to be consonant, vowel, same consonant > same consonant. Even simply reducing the doubled syllable ecec > ec gives pecuvo. pececuvo > peccuvo looks like syncopation.

Tamas Ferencz May 24, 2018 (14:25)

Would *pekkokuvo yield pekkuvo?

Paul Strack May 24, 2018 (15:10)

+Robert Reynolds I concede the point. It could be a syncope rather than haplology, or simply a reduction of form of as +Ицхак Пензев suggested. It could be any of pece, pecce or pecco.

Do folks have a preference? I like any of these more than pet

Remy Corbin May 24, 2018 (21:57)

Imho pecco sounds like nuts cracking...

Paul Strack May 25, 2018 (20:51)

OK, it sounds like the concensus (such as it is) leans toward pecco. I’m going with that.

Tamas Ferencz Jun 18, 2018 (00:35)

Oh, and we all know what pekku are, right? 😉

Tamas Ferencz Jun 18, 2018 (10:53)

*pekkorat (pekkorak-) "nutcracker"?