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Jun 22, 2015 (03:56)
If I might ask a question...any ideas for the plural of aiwe? Is it aiwi, aiwer, or aiwir?
Jun 22, 2015 (04:01)
. Quenya nouns ending in
usually change their final vowel to
in the plural.
Exceptions are nouns ending in
Jun 22, 2015 (06:33)
I would agree with
as well. As for the exceptions, we do have some (rare) forms besides the ones in
lámatyáver, Ingweron, nómesseron, Wenderon
I'm not aware of any later Q nouns ending in
get pluralized with
has some with
. The only
forming plural with
that I can think of at the moment is
Jun 22, 2015 (16:28)
You are right, there are exceptions beyond those I listed. It is hard to put the remaining exceptions into a general rule, however. Tolkien gave the plural of
, for example.
I generally use Helge Fauskanger's pluralization rules for Quenya:
1) Nouns ending in a consonant form the plural with
2) Nouns ending in a vowel form the plural with
3) Exception to #2, nouns ending in
4) Exception to #3, nouns ending in
form the plural by adding
These rules are consistent with all but a handful of attested examples.
Jun 23, 2015 (01:10)
Sorry, I've never heard about nouns in -le forming plurals with -r, and Helge doesn't seem to mention it nowhere. Could someone elaborate this, please?
Jun 23, 2015 (04:14)
Helge did mention this irregular form, in Lesson 2 (search for
), but you are right: he didn't claim it was a normal rule. His writing is just the first place I encountered this irregularity. I apologize for misrepresenting him.
However, there are two examples of an -
plural, one in LotR (
) and another in associated notes
(PE17/119). I didn't know of any counter-examples until +
. Given that additional example, I might revise my rule so that the
plural only applies when the noun has the suffix
as the abstract noun ending.
It's been a while since I looked at er-plurals in Quenya. There are more of them than I originally thought. Excluding the well-attested
, I count eight in my notes:
(VT42/17, also i-plural
MR/216 and UT/266)
(PM/340, also i-plural
I must admit I don’t see a general pattern.
EDIT: I found a 9th er-plural (and a 3rd ler-plural) in Tolkien's writing from the 1930s:
(LR/47, SD/310). I knew there was another supporting example for ler-plurals.