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Hjalmar Holm Feb 14, 2015 (01:35)

I thought of a S word for squirrel:
oronar (oron tree + nâr rat)

and a S word for badger
torechor (torech lair and -or acting suffix, as badgers are known for their lairs)

I got massive help from a friend.

Tamas Ferencz Feb 14, 2015 (10:03)

I don't see why you would lose one of the n-s, Sindarin is quite happy with double consonants: *oronnar.
I am not very comfortable with the other suggestion.

Александр Запрягаев Feb 14, 2015 (10:50)

Just *drafnir for "badger", possibly? To my knowledge, most even non-Indo-European words for "badger" refer either to "digging" or to the colour grey, but the second is too vague and would produce a name applicable to many species.

Tamas Ferencz Feb 14, 2015 (12:51)

+Александр Запрягаев how about combining the two notions into *thindrafnir "grey digger"?

Lőrinczi Gábor Feb 14, 2015 (13:59)

And what about *thuhabron (< thû "stench" + *sab- "dig", cf. Q sap- + ‑ron, cf. hadron, nathron, etc.) or *thurostir (< thû "stench" + rosta- "excavate" + -ir, cf. bauglir) for "badger"?

Александр Запрягаев Feb 14, 2015 (15:26)

+Lőrinczi Gábor Isn't that rather a skunk? :)

ܤܡܝ ܦܠܕܢܝܘܤ Feb 14, 2015 (20:18)

"Nut-gatherer/-" type of solution would obviously require a word for "nut". What would that be in light of what there is (in practice meaning PE11 & 12?)... *cotheg, *cothod (< *kots- ) ? [Cod being the attested Goldogrin noun.]

Lőrinczi Gábor Feb 15, 2015 (00:28)

+Александр Запрягаев
Yep, though mustelids also have scent glands. :)

Jenna Carpenter Feb 16, 2015 (12:58)

I always find it interesting to see how other people develop reconstructions. I look at the etymology of the English first and take it back as far as I can, hence my version of squirrel is 'shadow tail', entirely different!

Hjalmar Holm Feb 18, 2015 (15:35)

+Jenna Carpenter  reconstruction with the help of gwâth and Q pimpë? But I really like the suggestions oronnar, cotheg and cothod.

As for badger, I find it trickier. Isn't drafn- the verb "hew" rather than "dig"? To me thindrafnir, although a beautiful word, sounds more like a grey-coloured beaver (another animal lacking name...).

Jenna Carpenter Feb 18, 2015 (22:15)

For dig, you can use Saba- = to dig, excavate, from SAPA. I believe I went with Dae for shadow at the time (out of the many options!)

Hjalmar Holm Feb 20, 2015 (14:31)

+Lőrinczi Gábor Perhaps thindrostir for badger and use your word for skunk?

Lőrinczi Gábor Feb 20, 2015 (15:03)

+Hjalmar Holm It's your choice. :)

Hjalmar Holm Feb 21, 2015 (13:15)

Well, I want words that other people can use without frowning upon them, and I am not very lerned in linguistics. Especially if they are to be included in the VQP I need approval.

Lőrinczi Gábor Feb 21, 2015 (18:34)

What can I say? I like these constructions, they seem to be grammatically correct and sound "natural", but it's just my opinion. And I'm no linguist either. :) Nor an authority. 

If someone doesn't like them then they won't use them. So what? The only absolute authority would have rejected all of our constructions anyway... :)

Tamas Ferencz Feb 21, 2015 (20:31)

The only real authority now is usage.

Hjalmar Holm Feb 22, 2015 (21:32)

+Jenna Carpenter After thinking for quite some time, I want to try out your name for squirrel. How did you sindarinize Q pimpë? I think of using oronnar for forest-living mice and voles instead, such as bank vole.

Hjalmar Holm Feb 24, 2015 (13:35)

For the latter purpose of oronnar, as "forest-living mouse or vole" perhaps erynnar would be better? And I have thought of sindarinization of Q pimpë, by looking at lempë - leben, telempë - celeb, perhaps pib could be the S word for "tail"?

Tamas Ferencz Feb 24, 2015 (14:35)

Where is pimpe attested? I have only found pint in QL.

Jenna Carpenter Feb 24, 2015 (16:06)

It's one of HKF's adapations from pint, pimp- into more modern Quenya.
 +Hjalmar Holm using this adaptation (the tenuousness of which I dislike, but it's the only word we have for it...) - pimpe -> pimp -> pimb -> pimm -> pim was I believe the process it went through (on the basis of lambe -> lamme -> lamm -> lam).
 It's a while since I made it.

Hjalmar Holm Feb 24, 2015 (20:06)

I'm not entierly happy with the phonetics of daebim, but I think about adding pim as tail. Thinking anew, and considering the behaviour of squirrels, cost + pim might be good. Will that result in cosphim? Quarreling tail.

Jenna Carpenter Feb 24, 2015 (20:38)

Do your squirrels often quarrel? Ours just tend to be overly friendly and want to steal our food... :D Actually according to the rules I have written down it wouldn't change to that, the P would become B but the ST wouldn't change.

Hjalmar Holm Feb 24, 2015 (21:43)

Food-theft is a common source of quarrel and feud! According to the rules I have written down from Fiona Jalling's site, the final "t" in cost would cause stop mutation on the following "p", making it "ph" instead...

Hjalmar Holm Mar 02, 2015 (20:44)

After reading works of Salo and Fauskanger, I realize that stop mutation maybe never applies to compound words at all.
 But according to Salo's Gateway the final --st would be reduced to -s, making it cosbim.

Hjalmar Holm Mar 08, 2015 (21:42)

I have a hard time making up my mind. pilbim might be even better, using the NS word pil found in VQP. cosbim could easily be (mis)understood as a wolverine, for they are indeed quarrelsome.