I don't see why you would lose one of the n-s, Sindarin is quite happy with double consonants: *oronnar. I am not very comfortable with the other suggestion.
Just *drafnir for "badger", possibly? To my knowledge, most even non-Indo-European words for "badger" refer either to "digging" or to the colour grey, but the second is too vague and would produce a name applicable to many species.
"Nut-gatherer/- ...er" type of solution would obviously require a word for "nut". What would that be in light of what there is (in practice meaning PE11 & 12?)... *cotheg, *cothod (< *kots- ) ? [Cod being the attested Goldogrin noun.]
I always find it interesting to see how other people develop reconstructions. I look at the etymology of the English first and take it back as far as I can, hence my version of squirrel is 'shadow tail', entirely different!
+Jenna Carpenter reconstruction with the help of gwâth and Q pimpë? But I really like the suggestions oronnar, cotheg and cothod.
As for badger, I find it trickier. Isn't drafn- the verb "hew" rather than "dig"? To me thindrafnir, although a beautiful word, sounds more like a grey-coloured beaver (another animal lacking name...).
Well, I want words that other people can use without frowning upon them, and I am not very lerned in linguistics. Especially if they are to be included in the VQP I need approval.
What can I say? I like these constructions, they seem to be grammatically correct and sound "natural", but it's just my opinion. And I'm no linguist either. :) Nor an authority.
If someone doesn't like them then they won't use them. So what? The only absolute authority would have rejected all of our constructions anyway... :)
+Jenna Carpenter After thinking for quite some time, I want to try out your name for squirrel. How did you sindarinize Q pimpë? I think of using oronnar for forest-living mice and voles instead, such as bank vole.
For the latter purpose of oronnar, as "forest-living mouse or vole" perhaps erynnar would be better? And I have thought of sindarinization of Q pimpë, by looking at lempë - leben, telempë - celeb, perhaps pib could be the S word for "tail"?
It's one of HKF's adapations from pint, pimp- into more modern Quenya. +Hjalmar Holm using this adaptation (the tenuousness of which I dislike, but it's the only word we have for it...) - pimpe -> pimp -> pimb -> pimm -> pim was I believe the process it went through (on the basis of lambe -> lamme -> lamm -> lam). It's a while since I made it.
I'm not entierly happy with the phonetics of daebim, but I think about adding pim as tail. Thinking anew, and considering the behaviour of squirrels, cost + pim might be good. Will that result in cosphim? Quarreling tail.
Do your squirrels often quarrel? Ours just tend to be overly friendly and want to steal our food... :D Actually according to the rules I have written down it wouldn't change to that, the P would become B but the ST wouldn't change.
Food-theft is a common source of quarrel and feud! According to the rules I have written down from Fiona Jalling's site, the final "t" in cost would cause stop mutation on the following "p", making it "ph" instead...
After reading works of Salo and Fauskanger, I realize that stop mutation maybe never applies to compound words at all. But according to Salo's Gateway the final --st would be reduced to -s, making it cosbim.
I have a hard time making up my mind. pilbim might be even better, using the NS word pil found in VQP. cosbim could easily be (mis)understood as a wolverine, for they are indeed quarrelsome.
Tamas Ferencz Feb 14, 2015 (10:03)
I am not very comfortable with the other suggestion.
Александр Запрягаев Feb 14, 2015 (10:50)
Tamas Ferencz Feb 14, 2015 (12:51)
Lőrinczi Gábor Feb 14, 2015 (13:59)
Александр Запрягаев Feb 14, 2015 (15:26)
ܤܡܝ ܦܠܕܢܝܘܤ Feb 14, 2015 (20:18)
Lőrinczi Gábor Feb 15, 2015 (00:28)
Yep, though mustelids also have scent glands. :)
Jenna Carpenter Feb 16, 2015 (12:58)
Hjalmar Holm Feb 18, 2015 (15:35)
As for badger, I find it trickier. Isn't drafn- the verb "hew" rather than "dig"? To me thindrafnir, although a beautiful word, sounds more like a grey-coloured beaver (another animal lacking name...).
Jenna Carpenter Feb 18, 2015 (22:15)
Hjalmar Holm Feb 20, 2015 (14:31)
Lőrinczi Gábor Feb 20, 2015 (15:03)
Hjalmar Holm Feb 21, 2015 (13:15)
Lőrinczi Gábor Feb 21, 2015 (18:34)
If someone doesn't like them then they won't use them. So what? The only absolute authority would have rejected all of our constructions anyway... :)
Tamas Ferencz Feb 21, 2015 (20:31)
Hjalmar Holm Feb 22, 2015 (21:32)
Hjalmar Holm Feb 24, 2015 (13:35)
Tamas Ferencz Feb 24, 2015 (14:35)
Jenna Carpenter Feb 24, 2015 (16:06)
+Hjalmar Holm using this adaptation (the tenuousness of which I dislike, but it's the only word we have for it...) - pimpe -> pimp -> pimb -> pimm -> pim was I believe the process it went through (on the basis of lambe -> lamme -> lamm -> lam).
It's a while since I made it.
Hjalmar Holm Feb 24, 2015 (20:06)
Jenna Carpenter Feb 24, 2015 (20:38)
Hjalmar Holm Feb 24, 2015 (21:43)
Hjalmar Holm Mar 02, 2015 (20:44)
But according to Salo's Gateway the final --st would be reduced to -s, making it cosbim.
Hjalmar Holm Mar 08, 2015 (21:42)