Tell me about your workaround solutions for the conjunction 'so that/in order to/ut'. Or maybe there is something attested? I think this is physically the second most important clause connector after the relative pronoun and needed almost always.
That is not an easy question and i do not have a definite answer; lacking a specific attestation I would say you can may be playing with workarounds using - a gerund in dative as in enyalien - the particular infinitive with or without a pronominal suffix - a future imperfect participle with or without a pronominal suffix
Dative gerund, I guess? Depends on the context. A probable construction ought to be comyan ondor carien coanya "I gather stones for the building of my home".
Also, G+ so is not optimised for the iPhone. I kept submitting my post too early!
- ita/tai conj. “that which, what”, and - itas, adv. “in that case” (PE22)
where the latter appears to be a short locative of the former; therefore I propose that *itan, a dative form of ita would be a viable choice for "so that, in order"
As far as Sindarin goes, I'd say we're rather lucky to have STEL / thel- (WJ:318-9) from which to derive e.g. thíliel (+the desired action in the infinitive), or *theleth (> preposition + said noun + i/ias).
I like thíliel. Though I would use gerunds after it, rather than infinitives, and with lenition: Dagron, thíliel naged yrch. [I battle, having intended slaying orcs.]
Continuing with the Sindarin expressions: I just realised that given the model mîl < MEL, the handily short *thîl might also be a valid abstract noun derivation from STEL. (And due to similarity with the stock of THIL, its use might imaginably indeed be stricter or even limited to certain expressions..)
I wanted to add that in Quenya there is also the adverb tanen which could also be used in sentences like "I came home so that ['and in that way'] you can leave" túlen mardenna tanen eke tyen auta
Tamas Ferencz Sep 20, 2017 (11:34)
- a gerund in dative as in enyalien
- the particular infinitive with or without a pronominal suffix
- a future imperfect participle with or without a pronominal suffix
Leonard W. Sep 20, 2017 (11:38)
Also, G+ so is not optimised for the iPhone. I kept submitting my post too early!
Tamas Ferencz Sep 20, 2017 (11:50)
- ita/tai conj. “that which, what”, and
- itas, adv. “in that case” (PE22)
where the latter appears to be a short locative of the former; therefore I propose that *itan, a dative form of ita would be a viable choice for "so that, in order"
ܤܡܝ ܦܠܕܢܝܘܤ Sep 20, 2017 (19:34)
Ekin Gören Sep 22, 2017 (12:36)
Dagron, thíliel naged yrch.
[I battle, having intended slaying orcs.]
Tamas Ferencz Sep 22, 2017 (13:03)
Ekin Gören Sep 22, 2017 (13:27)
Александр Запрягаев Sep 22, 2017 (13:29)
Tamas Ferencz Sep 22, 2017 (13:43)
ܤܡܝ ܦܠܕܢܝܘܤ Sep 22, 2017 (14:14)
Александр Запрягаев Sep 24, 2017 (08:48)
Tamas Ferencz Sep 26, 2017 (09:49)