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Tamas Ferencz Jul 12, 2016 (15:36)

Alta sorno ríke mapa nappayanten vinyamo, karnelya kirisse-harwe i vinyamo kendelenna. Herenyanen i sorno la etélie ta auvíle.

A large eagle tried to grab with its talons a boy, making a slash-wound on the boy's face. By his luck the eagle did not succeed and flew away.
Eagle tries to carry off Australian boy - BBC News
An enormous wedge-tailed eagle attempts to carry a terrified young boy into the sky at wildlife show in remote outback Australia.

Александр Запрягаев Jul 12, 2016 (18:25)

Sounds like a start of an Aesop's fable :D

Tamas Ferencz Jul 12, 2016 (18:37)

+Александр Запрягаев
indeed. though it could have ended in a much more tragic way.
What I love in these exercises is that even constructing two relatively simple sentences like these can bring up interesting questions and problems (well, interesting to me at least), like, for instance, how to express 'luckily', or would 'made a wound on his face' govern an allative or a locative.

Lőrinczi Gábor Jul 13, 2016 (19:09)

Akkor most saslik lett az arcán? :D

Sorry, Hungarian pun. :)

ܤܡܝ ܦܠܕܢܝܘܤ Jul 13, 2016 (19:39)

That made me think about the inflectional stem of nouns ending in en (is heren the same 'type' as e.g. meren ?) and the latter element in malca "how great?" (#alca?).

Other ideas for expressing "to be successful" : *valtoitë ná ? One of the "to be able" verbs followed by turu ~ turuvë ? With a NTA/S verb (of the type al-tankanta-, tañkās- in PE22 pp. 117, 135)?

The thread https://plus.google.com/+TamasFerencz/posts/byDaBiSCc8z probably won't stop being useful to me anytime soon.

Tamas Ferencz Jul 13, 2016 (20:36)

+Lőrinczi Gábor heh :-D

Александр Запрягаев Jul 13, 2016 (21:01)

PE21:034 type, or end-stem type come to mind.

Александр Запрягаев Jul 13, 2016 (21:04)

+ܤܡܝ ܦܠܕܢܝܘܤ Is some connection to the ika/lika partitives of PE21 a bit of a stretch?

Tamas Ferencz Jul 13, 2016 (23:43)

Successful? *telíte? *telestea? What do you call a ' result '? *telda? Or simply karda 'deed'? or even *tyarda?

ܤܡܝ ܦܠܕܢܝܘܤ Jul 14, 2016 (01:42)

+Александр Запрягаев
I don't have (nor have I read the contents of) PE21, so I wouldn't know.

Tamas Ferencz Jul 14, 2016 (08:59)

+Александр Запрягаев
I have a feeling malka and manima were simply modeled on/constructed by using common adjectival forms (cf. talka, nwalka, falka etc. in EQ) and they do not necessarily have an underlying root with a meaning related to size or quality.
Having said that, I suppose if malka and manima are attested, *talka 'of that size' and *tanima 'of that sort' are also conceivable.