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Tamas Ferencz Aug 11, 2016 (11:46)

As usual, as I was working on the translation of the Rock-soup tale, some questions surfaced - maybe you guys will have some good ideas:

- opele is quite specifically a walled settlement; what would be a simpler word for 'village, settlement, hamlet, homestead'
- a good equivalent for 'to put, to place sg somewhere' - I am not very comfortable with panya- 'set, fix' which I used to use in the past
- no good word for 'money, coin' - perhaps S mirian can be adopted as *miryan
- is *kalampa a legitimate derivation from KALPA? I would be more sure if the root were KALAP, but with the syncopated form I am less certain
- I am not convinced yet that horya- is a good choice for 'to start, to begin to do sg'; the gloss of horya- seems to refer to the impulse rather than the actual action
- 'never' - looks like an innocent word but we do not have an unambiguous solution for it. I put la hlarnen sallo úlume lit. 'I did not hear of it ever', because úlume is glossed as 'ever, at any time' despite looking like it should mean 'never'

ܤܡܝ ܦܠܕܢܝܘܤ Aug 11, 2016 (19:42)

S mirian could theoretically also be a compound of *mīrĭ and *annā? Not to mention that the CE roots ANAD and YAN/YAND (which an alternative explanation would point to) wouldn't seem like logical sources for a diminutive suffix, though in addition to mirian there is of course also perian "half-ling" and the two appear to contain the same element.

Whatever the "correct" Quenya counterpart of S mirian is, it would certainly preserve the lengthened /i/ (mír..).

Andre Polykanine Aug 11, 2016 (23:38)

In his New Testament translation Helge has yesta- for begin. Why not to use this one?

Andre Polykanine Aug 11, 2016 (23:41)

And for village, Helge has:  masto noun "village" (LT1:251)

Tamas Ferencz Aug 12, 2016 (11:13)

+Andre Polykanine
that is true. My only gripe with the word is that ther root behind it (MBARA) was later shortened to MBAR and all its derivations retain the -r; whereas all other similar Q words come from MBAS and are related to baking and food.
Still, at least it is attested.