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Jul 15, 2014 (16:12)
Has anyone any tips how to say
- someone's right (prerogative, privilege, boon,
- that someone is (in the) right in Quenya?
Also, is the allative, and the prep.
our best bet to express
against, versus, opposed to
Jul 16, 2014 (14:08)
For "to be right", Latin has
; compare these with Finnish
"to be in [the] right" and
would seem to correspond to Q
rather well. But with the above ideas,
also seem like workable starting points.
Upon selecting the verb, attention should of course be paid to semantic unambiguity which may require a noun (or adverb) derivative instead of an adjective, and/or the use of a case ending.
can refer to either the physical direction or the positive truth quality.
Jul 16, 2014 (14:24)
Indeed a clever choice of one of those three adjectives or their derivatives will cover most of the possibilities. Thanks, Sami!
Jul 16, 2014 (15:08)
not sure about that; against does not necessarily mean 'in the opposite direction', and anyway au-, oa, hó- cover that quite well.
Jul 16, 2014 (17:01)
Concerning the first question:
Words that represent aspects of Latin
"lordship" (with adj.
"powerful, having possession, having authority”, PE12:57/58).
Perhaps a compound noun conveying the idea of "a fair claim" could be constructed from
(Qe, "a request") or similar unitary derivative from THUR-2 (of
) or NAM- (VT41:13).
Jul 17, 2014 (00:53)
Regarding 'the right' we have
'with leave' (in sense of 'permission'). PE17:95 gives
'with', so +
might be 'leave, permission' (perhaps with *NEM- as a variant of NAM-?). This could be used depending on the context.
Regarding 'to be right' why not Q.
'straight, right'? The 'right' here can hardly be meant in a directional sense, but rather seems to come from the same spatial metaphor underlying English 'getting the facts straight'.
Regarding the allative for 'against': I would say it's more than a bet, it's basically attested in
. Though the Númenor-texts mostly translate it literally as 'on Powers', SD:247 has 'against Powers'.
If not suitable in a given context, one could also use
'against', if really needed. With a long vowel it's already attested as a conjunction.
Jul 17, 2014 (09:35)
that is good analysis, Roman, thank you. +
is a good find!
Then there is
'yield, grant, allow', so prhaps
? Or what would
? 'something that is granted'?
Jul 17, 2014 (15:50)
The root NIB- might imaginably be utilized to produce a form to say "facing, confronting, (ad)versus"; either a would-be neo-preposition/postposition, after the model of attestations like
(vs. ones ending in
) — or a fitting verb-form (personless present continuous or dat. inf.
) to take the place of a preposition.
Jul 17, 2014 (15:58)
'facing sg' could also possibly be rendered as
'turned towards sg'
Jul 20, 2014 (13:10)
As for "to be right",
"your judgement is true" was used in FB Quenya Chat (the "Nyatil" :) ) several times without any critique.