ns:cil [VinQuettaParma]
With singular and plural “who”, showing Soft and Nasal mutations: i gîl “who chooses” i chilir “who choose”. Pronunciation (IPA). /kiʎ/. Tags. verb, iverb, transitive, decisions, choose. Etymology. based off of Quenya verb cil-, isolated from the noun cilme. Attested Analogues ...
Tamas Ferencz Jul 24, 2014 (11:55)
Fiona Jallings Jul 24, 2014 (23:07)
http://middangeard.org.uk/vqp/doku.php/ns:bainas
Matt Dinse Jul 25, 2014 (02:16)
I'm not against labeling verb classes (though different people probably classify them into different categories, or use different terminology: so consistency might become a problem), though I wouldn't go so far as to add tense conjugations. People subscribe to different theories and some will say *cenn for pa.t. of cen-, others *egin, for example. It would certainly be useful to distinguish classes as those distinctions can affect the conjugations of homonyms, e.g. Q from -tă, -tā, and causative -tā.
Fiona Jallings Jul 25, 2014 (02:45)
I-verb and A-verb are pretty universal classifications of Sindarin verbs, as far as I know. Getting into more detail than that is where people have their own little theories.
I agree about the past-tense for I-verbs, that's still murky right now. But, we could make lists of "past tense conjugations that you may see people using" for them - that may be helpful.
Matt Dinse Jul 25, 2014 (04:31)
How would you classify gala-? It would be an "A-verb" but is conjugated galon, gala / gâl with a strong pa.t. aul/angol instead of *galant/s (I'm not sure if it's transitive or not). Though perhaps "A-verb" doesn't directly mean "this is a derived verb" but rather "this doesn't form the present tense with -in, -ir (etc.)" ? I must admit I'm rusty on Sindarin terminology.
Arguably, though, I've been told I'm quite good at finding reasons why something might not work, but not so good at suggesting solutions. >_<
Fiona Jallings Jul 25, 2014 (06:10)
Roman Rausch Jul 25, 2014 (15:24)
In the long run, it will save a lot of work: As soon as new information on pronunciation, mutations or plurals will be published (as I'm sure it will be!), one won't have to go through the whole dictionary to make the changes.
The classification into a-verbs and root verbs refers only to the present (I'm actually not entirely certain where the causatives belong), in the past there can be mixed conjugations. But it's completely redundant to mark it, as it can be read off from the stem.