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Александр Запрягаев, ܤܡܝ ܦܠܕܢܝܘܤ, Ицхак Пензев, Lőrinczi Gábor, Tamas Ferencz, WordWheel

Tamas Ferencz May 25, 2016 (16:06)

Looking for simple ways to express the following adverbs in Q (or S, for that matter):
at all
(al)though
at least

Александр Запрягаев May 25, 2016 (17:01)

I started with checking how Helge uses those in his Bible rendering. He has ómu as attested for 'though' (PE15:032), a bit of a stretch for me. Anyway, there it is an obvious parallel of óma above, long obsoleted.

Lőrinczi Gábor May 25, 2016 (18:56)

I would cheat a little bit. E.g.:

Ú-eiphin sui cae yrch anglennar i annon.
At least (= not less than) ten orcs are approaching the gate.

Ú-velin i negyth, uin, ach hain ú-fuion.
I don't like the dwarves at all (= I do not, as an emphasis), although (= but) I don't hate them either.

Александр Запрягаев May 25, 2016 (18:57)

For 'at least', the temptation is strong to just use ambela.

Tamas Ferencz May 25, 2016 (19:03)

+Александр Запрягаев
I confess I don't see how it would fit. If aught, I could see it used as 'moreover'.

EDIT: I have pondered it, and I think I understand your logic. 'beyond one = more than one = at least one".

Tamas Ferencz May 25, 2016 (19:07)

+Lőrinczi Gábor
would you elaborate on ú-eiphin, pls?

Tamas Ferencz May 25, 2016 (19:10)

For 'at all' perhaps one can use aqua before the negative particle. Aqua lá melinyel. 'I completely don't love you = don't love you at all.'

Lőrinczi Gábor May 25, 2016 (19:13)

+Tamas Ferencz It's an- + pîn (from Cûl Bîn "Little Load"), cf. einior ("older").

Tamas Ferencz May 25, 2016 (19:16)

+Lőrinczi Gábor
cheers

Tamas Ferencz May 25, 2016 (19:17)

Thinking about an adjective *ampenya "most lacking => least"

ܤܡܝ ܦܠܕܢܝܘܤ May 25, 2016 (20:35)

arpitya/arpia lestaSSË/NEN when talking about amounts?

Tamas Ferencz May 26, 2016 (11:47)

+Александр Запрягаев
thinking even further, ambela wouldn't fit after all, as "at least one" is x>=1, while ambela mine is x>1, right?

Ицхак Пензев May 29, 2016 (08:06)

At first I read at last, not at least and thought that this was easy: telmas(së). But 'at least' indeed may be rendered as arpitya lestanen.

Tamas Ferencz May 29, 2016 (10:52)

+Ицхак Пензев​​ AFAIK "at last" is attested as yallume

Ицхак Пензев May 30, 2016 (08:32)

+Tamas Ferencz námalya téra. Mauya nin parë i quettaparma ambë.

Tamas Ferencz May 30, 2016 (09:36)

+Ицхак Пензев nemis nin aurion yurasta lá faren kese illi parmar yo pare illi quettar!

Ицхак Пензев Jun 01, 2016 (11:46)

+Tamas Ferencz ananta páranyet ter loaron otso! ;)