G+ LoME Archive
Oct 18, 2016 (00:02)
Has there been any thoughts or attestment for the entu, ensi, enta declensions? I'm noticing that tensi and tenta may be related somehow.
Oct 18, 2016 (09:08)
I do not think the two are related.
are transparently the prefix
) "towards" + the demonstratives
"this, here, now" and
"that, there, then", so
means "up to this point in time, by now, still, already", and
is "up to/by then, still, yet".
The endings in
look gender specifiers to me.
Oct 18, 2016 (20:37)
Thank you, Tamas. You clarified the meaning of tensi/tenta. I misunderstood the layout of PE22:157 as saying the root the came from was √TIG. Would entu/ensi/enta have the prefix en- yonder, therefore giving the meaning he/she/it yonder (of course now realizing the later forms may be ento/ente/enta; -u > -o, -i > -e)?
Oct 19, 2016 (10:22)
in VT36 certainly argues that
in these forms is probably the element 'that yonder' and the second element is the demonstrative
with gender specific forms. However, I think declination for gender was largely abandoned by Tolkien later.
Oct 19, 2016 (13:02)
I think they were perfectly attested in PE15:054, 057 as, apparently, m/f/n emphatic 3sg. pronouns. Per Gilson, ' en- [here is] described in EQG as "a general demonstrative deictic particle or stem added to the demonstrative pronoun stems for emphasis".