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Silmarien Ingoldo Aug 01, 2016 (16:29)

I found a translation in Quenya of Feanor's reply to Mandos' doom. Is it correct?

Vanda carnelmë, ar lá ú sánala. Vanda sinanna vorondë nauvalmë. Nalmë peldë rimbë ulquinen, ar vartië lá anníca; mal er nata umë quétina: i nauvalmë rácinë caurenen, rúcalainen hya i caurë rúcalaron. Etta quetin i etelennuvalmë, ar umbar sina napanin: i cardar yar caruvalmë nauvar i erma lirillo tenna i métimë auri Ardo.

Original text in English:
We have sworn, and not lightly. This oath we will keep. We are threatened with many evils, and treason not least; but one thing is not said: that we shall suffer from cowardice, from cravens or the fear of cravens. Therefore I say that we will go on, and this doom I add: the deeds that we shall do shall be the matter of song until the last days of Arda.

Tamas Ferencz Aug 01, 2016 (18:09)

It's not bad at all I say. Of course as many translations as translators, I'd probably do it differently, but that does not mean mine would be any better. Just different.

Tamas Ferencz Aug 01, 2016 (18:11)

The only word I am unable to trace is *pelde.

Silmarien Ingoldo Aug 01, 2016 (18:58)

+Tamas Ferencz I haven't found it either. How would you translate "We are threatened with many evils?"

Александр Запрягаев Aug 02, 2016 (08:48)

+Tamas Ferencz A participial from pel 'to go round, encircle', pelnā-ī?

Tamas Ferencz Aug 02, 2016 (09:24)

+Александр Запрягаев
you mean in the sense of "surrounded" -> "threatened"? Possible. Although I would use the root YOD for that sense.

For "threaten" I'd probably go for the root STAG, possibly an extended meaning of sahta-, or perhaps a frequentative. http://eldamo.org/content/words/word-2517943711.html

See also the etymology of E 'threat' in http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=threat&allowed_in_frame=0 and the other derivatives of the root STAG such as sanga.

Александр Запрягаев Aug 02, 2016 (21:33)

+Tamas Ferencz rather rephrasing, 'beset' ~ 'surrounded by'.