G+ LoME Archive
Jul 08, 2014 (22:19)
A long, long time ago I made the Neo-Sindarin word *maega- 'to kneed, soften' based off of the root MASAG. I now see that it was a big mistake.How would you go about making a verb from MASAG?
I'm thinking that I'd make it MASAG+TAA, but I'm unsure what that would end up being like. masgata>maiata>maeda?
Jul 09, 2014 (02:23)
PE19:101 helps; "Of
'sticky substance', Q
. In Sindarin
from √NASAG >
Jul 09, 2014 (11:26)
The PE19 fragment may remind one of John-Morris Jones' "A Welsh Grammar" § 97.iii., with W
('a swelling') < *tuδʒ- < *tuzg-. ;-) (Said opus book being Tolkien's well-known recourse for Welsh.)
I think it's also conceivable the N/S verb(s) meaning "knead" might contain a prefix (like Italian
, & the various N/S verb formations we know).
Jul 09, 2014 (21:20)
I'd guess that
only word-finally, word-medially it should give
(TARAG-) and similarly
In fact, the original entry of MASAG- had
'dough >> sofness, pliancy' (VT45:32).
So all in all I'd reconstruct
Jul 10, 2014 (01:19)
I've seen some
etc. "updated" in neo-Sindarin usage to
because Sindarin doesn't retain final vowels; given the comparisons to
etc. do you think that is incorrect? I'm admittedly quite rusty at Sindarin.
Jul 10, 2014 (02:06)
That makes no sense to me..
Tara & thala
are strictly Noldorin, of course, but PE17:118 reiterates previously Noldorin
, PE17:148 has
; and I cannot think of any example where the resulting vowel would be dropped in such a case...
Jul 11, 2014 (00:25)
Good to know! What do you think the plurals of
Jul 11, 2014 (10:43)
Uff, good question.. Since the only thing attested is
with final-syllable umlaut (apparently it happens before vocalization), I would assume
It looks like
finally under influence of pl.
(perhaps it became palatalized). This may be different for
, it might become
In any case, at later times by analogy we should have