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Hjalmar Holm Jun 23, 2015 (17:44)

Does anyone have an idea of how to express "goal, target, objective"?

Remy Corbin Jun 23, 2015 (19:39)

Maybe the word could be derived from mína- 'make for sth'? Eg. mínië?

Hjalmar Holm Jun 23, 2015 (19:45)

I've thought of √TEN,
But I also wonder if there are some existing word or neologism.

Matt Dinse Jun 24, 2015 (04:04)

I wonder if something could be made from words for will/intention/purpose, like the verb indu-, pa.t. indune in PE22:165, indunenyes "I willed it, I did it on purpose", and noun induinen "purpose" (and an expression Eru-indonen "by the will of God"). However, I'm not sure if passive formations with -da (karda "deed", yulda "draught") could be formed with derived verbs instead of roots ... and the original √NID has a slightly different nuance.

Maybe something from anya- "go to, reach" (157) [>] "arrive at, reach" (163) from ana/na (dative/allative roots?)...? However, I'm probably biased towards forms I've just read, since my mind is drowning in PE22's vocabulary and grammar at the moment.

We have mectha "goal, intention" in the Gnomish Lexicon, and √MEK may actually still be valid in later Quenya, given the etymology of "please!" in the 1969 Quenya sentence á þak' i fende, mekin "Close the door, please!" The root for that is not given, but it seems to be to be the aorist 1st person form of a verb mek-. "I ask" might be expected, but "I intend, I aim at" ?might? may sense for a derivation of "please". mekin is not related to the various other forms/roots for "wish", "like", "aim at, intend", "longing", "it pleases him" in the 1940s and 1950 paradigms, though ... but it may have been revived from earlier on?

However, several of the roots/verbs/paradigms in the 40s and 50s paradigms are different than the ones that appear in 1969's, and some unfortunately clash, like the verb that was earlier (in the 40s, late 40s, and 1950's) used for "seem, appear" in Quenya. In the 1969 documents, it appeared in a sentence as the verb "judge" as well as one with "learn" (so I guess they must share some nuance?) ... but at any rate, both of those were replaced with two different verbs. So perhaps we can still use √NEM for "seem, appear" after all (unrelated to N thuio).

ܤܡܝ ܦܠܕܢܝܘܤ Jun 24, 2015 (16:02)

IMO, Qenya mekte- > !mehta- "aim at" doesn't necessarily clash with LotR's Calimehtar as the latter name might actually be made of calima/ë + ehtar (cf. ecet).

Hjalmar Holm Jun 24, 2015 (16:20)

S mechta- "aim at"?

Александр Запрягаев Jun 24, 2015 (17:06)

+Matt Dinse +Hjalmar Holm Shouldn't it derive rather as something *meitha-?

Matt Dinse Jun 24, 2015 (17:30)

+Hjalmar Holm, I think that in Sindarin ekt would produce eith as in nekte > naith, i.e. meitha-. But that's assuming that 1969 mekin is from such a root (words related to goal, centre, heart, aim at, objective, intention):

+ܤܡܝ ܦܠܕܢܝܘܤ , I'm inclined to agree, especially that we have ehtar and words formed with it throughout the QL/GL/etc. and Etymologies (Telimbekar, pilinektar, etc.)