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Александр Запрягаев, Tamas Ferencz, Discussion

Tamas Ferencz Aug 07, 2015 (13:01)

The Quenya verbal noun ending ndĭ/ndē (PE22:137) is very interesting in many ways:
- prior to PE22 I think we only had arcande as an attested example of this ending?
- the entry justifies the neologism *veryande 'adventure' that Sami created (see VQP)
- the entry seems to imply that primitive verbs receive ndi as an ending, while derivative verbs will have nde?
- karijendi (he was really into weird orthography sometimes, wasn't he) is exciting, although from the top of my head I cannot easily think  of other, practical examples; something like *matijendi 'the process of eating' > 'meal'?

Tamas Ferencz Aug 07, 2015 (15:35)

The adjectival ending ula given on the same page is pretty vague - I actually had to Google the meaning of matula 'edacious' (= of, or related to, eating)

Александр Запрягаев Aug 07, 2015 (19:27)

+Tamas Ferencz The CE forms are supposed to be vague. PE22:111 explains the Quenya derivations which is much clearer. Such as: Adjectives in ula (in which the u is possibly related to the u seen in the futures) express like­lihood, aptitude: similar to Latin -āx : nyárula "apt to talk, or relate"; kúvula "flexible, pliant."
And: Adjectives in ite or after omataima or last vowel of stem: aite, ite, oite, uite: are less defined in sense, the actual significance depending much on the verbal sense. An extension: vowel + maite is also frequent. Examples: karaite, karamaite, "able to make, handy, craftsmanlike, skilled"; tulumaite "likely to come, (of future events) probable"; himíte "clinging, able to stick on."
PS: alaninquitálima!
Upd. on nde: Very frequent also was ode, as mitta, insert, mittande 'insertion', infixion. turyande (turya-, strengthen), strengthening, fortification. nde was more general and less particular than ste. ndē or nde could be added to gerund, so karien, kariende.

Tamas Ferencz Aug 07, 2015 (19:33)

+Александр Запрягаев _Adjectives in ula (in which the u is possibly related to the u seen in the futures) express like­lihood, aptitude: similar to Latin -āx : nyárula "apt to talk, or relate"; kúvula "flexible, pliant_ this is essentially the same as -ima, isn't it

thanks for reminding me!

Александр Запрягаев Aug 07, 2015 (19:37)

+Tamas Ferencz Chris adds here that: Examples of Latin adjectives in -iix are: pūgnāx 'pugnacious' < pūgnāre 'to fight'; audāx 'bold' < audere 'to dare'.
Actually, the QVS is Helge's paradise: half his questions in 'Arda Philology', on pasts, pluperfects, past continuous etc. get answered! But any form must be trice checked for later consistency. I guess all lya must be read as ila in late Quenya, at least. Anything else?