Tavar ya ece len *loicene rá calca
Nolmor autier vinya erma lo vistale tavaro. *Ápente tavar *laimye piryassen andave, epetai i erma 'lignin' ya anta tavaren *quíleya autane tavar ya olane *tercenima; ta púler *himbasáva sanna. I vinya tercenima tavar ná *antermarima yo amba *úrevarima lá calca, ar cé *empanyuva sa. I enta rície nauva care i tercenima tavar analta.
Wood you can mistake for glass
Scientists have invented a new material by changing wood. They cooked wood in various liquids for a long time, so the substance called 'lignin' which gives wood its colour was removed from the wood which became transparent; then they poured resin[1] on it. The new transparent wood is more enduring and isolating[2] than glass, and may replace it in the future. The next endeavour will be to make the transparent wood in a bigger size.
[1] there are early Qenya words for resin such as vitevíse and sukte but I felt reluctant to use them rather tried to follow the semantics
[2] "heat-protecting"
Ицхак Пензев Jun 16, 2016 (11:39)
Tamas Ferencz Jun 16, 2016 (12:07)
sure:
*loicen- v. 'mistake, mis-recongize'
*ap- v. 'cook' AP
*laimya adj. 'not the same, different, various' la + imya
*quíle n. 'colour' EQ qíle
*tercenima adj. lit. 'through-seeable, transparent'
*himbasáva n. 'sticky juice, resin'
*termarima adj. 'enduring'
*úrevarima adj. úre 'heat' + *varima 'able to protect' from varya-
*empanya- v. 'replace' en- 're, again' + panya- 'set, fix'
Rick Spell Jun 16, 2016 (14:58)
Ицхак Пензев Jun 19, 2016 (13:19)
"different" NQNT *alavéla
I like the translation, too.
Tamas Ferencz Jun 19, 2016 (18:18)
quite true. Perhaps *apta- is conceivable for 'cook'
*alavéla isn't that much different (pun intended) from *laimya, is it
Ицхак Пензев Jun 20, 2016 (13:57)
Tamas Ferencz Jun 20, 2016 (14:38)
- we have laista attested in PE22:155 as an example of the prefix used with a hiatus
- I do not consider the use of a productive pre- or suffix as making a neologism; it's part of the normal conjugation
Ицхак Пензев Jun 21, 2016 (08:48)
And yes, I agree with you as concerns prefixes and disagree about suffixes.
Tamas Ferencz Jun 21, 2016 (08:55)
I don't follow your logic TBH, but maybe that's because I haven't had enough mornechui yet:)
Ицхак Пензев Jun 21, 2016 (09:27)
Tamas Ferencz Jun 21, 2016 (10:23)
Hungarian is an agglutinating language - we have suffixes rather than cases, and as long as they follow the rules of affixation they can be freely used.
So are you saying, that, for instance, every time we use any of the main attested verbal adjectival suffixes given in PE22 - Vte, ima, Vstea etc. - with an attested Quenya verb and according to the rules, we are venturing into the murky waters of neologisms? Naturally, using suffixes like them will change the meaning - after all we are changing parts of speech - still this kind of derivation looks perfectly natural and acceptable to me.
Ицхак Пензев Jun 21, 2016 (15:30)
Tamas Ferencz Jun 21, 2016 (16:18)
well strictly speaking any sort of prefixing or suffixing which produces an unattested form is neologism, isn't it, but it would really severely restrict our possibilities if we denied ourselves that.
Ицхак Пензев Jun 22, 2016 (11:39)
Tamas Ferencz Jun 22, 2016 (12:10)
It would be really good to see what otheris in this community think of this matter.
Jim Coish Jun 22, 2016 (19:58)
Tamas Ferencz Jun 22, 2016 (20:27)
thanks. Nésse lambinganyasse.