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Tamas Ferencz Sep 19, 2018 (13:36)

What would you suggest for a good NQ equivalent of Goldogrin grith- v. “to attend to, tend, care, care for, mind”?
I usually resort to aþya- when I want to say "care for, help, comfort" but it doesn't always feel correct for every situation.

The EQ derivative of the root, karda-, has a slightly different gloss, and is rather coalescent with the derivatives of KAR.
Eldamo : Gnomish : grith-
G. grith- v. “to attend to, tend, care, care for, mind”. ⚠ G. grith-, v. “to attend to, tend, care, care for, mind”. References ✧ GL/42. Glosses. “attend to, tend, care, care for, mind” ✧ GL/42. Variations. grith- ✧ GL/42; gridh- ✧ GL/42. Changes. gridh- >> grith- “attend to, tend, care, care for, mind” ✧ GL/42; graidhi ...

Ekin Gören Sep 19, 2018 (14:35)

Goldogrin also has "hirtha-" with the same meaning. I would argue that it can be brought to ᴺS. directly (or as "hertha-") with the meaning "to lord" as if to mean that lords care for their subjects and so on, which would be "herta-" in ᴺQ.

As for "grith-", looks like ᴺ√RITH is free to use, so ᴺQ. "riþ-" (or "ris-") could work, alongside ᴺS. "(g)rith-".

Tamas Ferencz Sep 19, 2018 (14:41)

+Ekin Gören that's an interesting deduction.

Lokyt L. Sep 19, 2018 (20:58)

https://eldamo.org/content/words/word-780334443.html might also be a good place to look in.

ܤܡܝ ܦܠܕܢܝܘܤ Sep 21, 2018 (13:28)

The outcome depends on how one would vocalise the Early Primitive Elvish root GṚÞ(Ṛ). Because of later forms like girith and gartha-, should it be GERETH? Wouldn't that result in a NQ. verb *essa- , since according to Eldamo (Quenya, Phonetics) th > s and rs > ss.

Tamas Ferencz Sep 21, 2018 (13:41)

+ܤܡܝ ܦܠܕܢܝܘܤ why GERETH? Given the EQ derivate karda- wouldn't GARATH be more plausible?

ܤܡܝ ܦܠܕܢܝܘܤ Sep 21, 2018 (15:45)

+Tamas Ferencz I repeat myself: There is the later root https://eldamo.org/content/words/word-2516466467.html "in the way" with its derivations.

Tamas Ferencz Sep 21, 2018 (19:30)

+ܤܡܝ ܦܠܕܢܝܘܤ sorry for my incomprehension

P Arellond Sep 23, 2018 (09:13)

Perhaps the Gartha series of words are all in the sense of a defence and keep would be in that line of thinking. The grith line of words evokes more a sense of attentive care, tending, continuing attention to. This root could be applied in nursing, tending plants or sheep etc.

James Coish Sep 29, 2018 (22:08)

In Quenya, would these be karda- from the gartha line, and kirda- from the girith line?

Lokyt L. Sep 30, 2018 (00:40)

+James Coish In Qenya of the 1910s, I suppose so.
Since the 1930s, most definitely not: PQ. syllabic consonants got discarded and with them went also the option of producing the "other line" of derivatives.

James Coish Sep 30, 2018 (16:58)

+Lokyt L. Thank you for clearing that up for me.