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Young P Oct 12, 2017 (09:50)

I am kinda shocked. Doriath has iâth (fence) in it.
So should we pronounce it dor-yath, not like the' 'ia' in Melian
like we separate 'rh' in gaur-hoth, right?

Tamas Ferencz Oct 12, 2017 (10:29)

I don't think at normal speed of talking there's that much of a difference, the stress is on the first syllable anyway

Александр Запрягаев Oct 12, 2017 (10:37)

Totally nope. In Sindarin [j] is an allophone of [i] before vowels word-initially, hence when medial it turns into the vowel. That Doriath is three syllables you could verify in almost every segment of Lay of Leithian.

Young P Oct 12, 2017 (12:04)

+Александр Запрягаев Given the Apppendix your explain seems right. So it is an allophone! I guess the same goes for Arathornion, ninniach etc..

Young P Oct 12, 2017 (12:14)

+Tamas Ferencz Agreed. By the way, Where do you think the stresses fall in hyphen-merged words like 'Cabed-en-Aras'? If we assume this a single word then we should stress 'e' in '-en-'. But maybe it is weird to stress a particle?

Александр Запрягаев Oct 12, 2017 (12:15)

+Young Park In this particular case, I have no doubts to stress the separate parts. After all, in ordinary speech these words would normally be separared by spaces, not by hyphens.

Tamas Ferencz Oct 12, 2017 (14:59)

+Young Park as Aleksandr says it's really thee words, just hyphenated for convention, when transcribed into Roman script. On the other hand of course it's a name, so it is plausible that over time speakers will regard it as one word regardless how it is spelled. As it is now I would say it with stress on CAbed and a secondary stress on Arad.

Александр Запрягаев Oct 14, 2017 (18:05)

+Tamas Ferencz All this stuff really tells me I should really write next article not about 'before/after', but about Eldarin stress! By the way: what about when epenthetic changes the moraic structure? DAgorlad or DagOrlad?

Remy Corbin Oct 15, 2017 (22:19)

+Александр Запрягаев​ Good question. I've been always saying DAgorlAd but now I see it should be DagOrlad according to general rules. BarandUiniant / BarAnduiniAnt?