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Tamas Ferencz Feb 16, 2018 (15:12)

Throwing in a few words to munch on:

to get to know, acquaint
get, acquire

Tamas Ferencz Feb 16, 2018 (15:29)

to get to know: perhaps *istanta/isinta-? - Eldamo : Middle Quenya : -nta

ܤܡܝ ܦܠܕܢܝܘܤ Feb 16, 2018 (16:14)

- "Recognize" can be expressed with "remember (X by/from something)".
- Q #cav- as meaning both "receive" (VT47) and "be able to" (PE22) semi-parallels Finnish saada (1. get, obtain; 2. be allowed, may).

Tamas Ferencz Feb 16, 2018 (16:34)

+ܤܡܝ ܦܠܕܢܝܘܤ that's an interesting parallel but I somehow doubt that it was intentional; but one never knows with Tolkien!

Ekin Gören Feb 16, 2018 (17:11)

+Tamas Ferencz See Eldamo's note on nta:
s “inceptive (verbal suffix)” maybe replaced ᴹQ. nta “to become or be made”-

ninqinta >?> ninkwis | both mean "to grow pale"

Tamas Ferencz Feb 16, 2018 (17:17)

+Ekin Gören "maybe"

Tamas Ferencz Feb 16, 2018 (17:20)

Having said that, I am fine with *istas-, too.

James Coish Feb 16, 2018 (19:18)

ninquis- (niñkwis- "(begin to) grow pale" PE22/135), seems to be an inceptive form of the inceptive ninquinta- (niñqinta- "to grow pale" PE22/114). So, istas- (begin to) get to know, would/could be the inceptive of istanta- to get to know. But that's how I read it from PE22.

ܤܡܝ ܦܠܕܢܝܘܤ Feb 16, 2018 (19:53)

Regarding "surprise" (to act surprisingly) : The Q descendant of would be *verehta-. (Compare Hebrew hiphtiiaʕ < p-t-ʕ.)

Tamas Ferencz Feb 16, 2018 (20:20)

Not bad. I recall years ago I used *verehta- for "explode".

ܤܡܝ ܦܠܕܢܝܘܤ Feb 17, 2018 (00:19)

Tamas Ferencz Feb 17, 2018 (00:29)

+ܤܡܝ ܦܠܕܢܝܘܤ good find. It makes sense as "make jump"

Ицхак Пензев Feb 17, 2018 (17:29)

HKF used atsintë for pa.t. of "recognize". I suspect pres.t. is atista-.

Ицхак Пензев Feb 20, 2018 (10:40)

As for "to get", I am satisfied with EQ. ^ñet- QL:66