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Tamas Ferencz Jul 20, 2015 (11:07)

I like it that per +#PE22 "I am sad" in Qenya is luin, whereas luin is also "blue" in other sources. Those blasted Elves have even invented the blues it seems! :)

Александр Запрягаев Jul 20, 2015 (11:13)

It's perfectly okay for Tolkien to make as much anglicisms as he wishes! But are we allowed to do the same?

Tamas Ferencz Jul 20, 2015 (11:39)

+Александр Запрягаев
I sort of think this one was unintentional.

In my opinion it is fine to have anglicisms in NeoEldarin (it is difficult to avoid them, our minds move certain ways after all) as long as it is fine to have russianisms, hungarisms, germanisms and the like as well. If a word, an expression is a calque but it catches on and becomes part of the vocabulary, then that is all the justification it requires, isn't it.

Александр Запрягаев Jul 20, 2015 (11:41)

+Tamas Ferencz I guess it is perfectly normal to have indoeuropeanisms in Neo-Eldarin tongues. After all, that's how Tolkien composed.

Jan Sorondil Slaný Jul 20, 2015 (11:52)

At least now we have a hint of how Elven music sounds like. :-)

Tamas Ferencz Jul 20, 2015 (12:00)

+Александр Запрягаев
how about non-indeuropanisms? After all we have Finnish as a major influence

Александр Запрягаев Jul 20, 2015 (12:22)

+Tamas Ferencz That's why it's so good to share the collective knowledge of lots of languages in our group. Gives a refreshing new look upon the languages! Though I don't really believe insight should be sought in the languages Tolkien was not acquainted to personally, I often hope I was Ugro-Finnic not only by descent but by actual fluent speaking. Still, my good knowledge of the Slavic family and some — of its comparative history gives me much more Slavic-to-Eldarin associations of tiny but important matters than thought normally. Yet I do not believe 'my' render of Tolkien's languages is explicitly Slavic (that still would be fun to take the Comparative Tables one day and reconstruct one of the Avarin tongues from the known root following these sound-shifts as a Baltic or Slavic sounding tongue! I even had some notes of that but it never went above two sentences…)

Tamas Ferencz Jul 24, 2015 (08:58)

Just wanted to note that the impersonal example above is middle Quenya (in other words the -n in luin is an object ending, not a subject); in LotR-age Quenya this would be *lue nin.

Jan Sorondil Slaný Jul 24, 2015 (12:11)

If lue is an impersonal verb, do we know its conjugation? What is the stem and how do the other tenses look like?

Tamas Ferencz Jul 24, 2015 (12:17)

per PE22:102 the root is LUG (as in the Etym), past tense lunge, perfect ulungie (archaic uluiye). Aorist lue; it is not given but the stem is implied as lu-.

Jan Sorondil Slaný Jul 24, 2015 (14:57)

All right, thanks a lot. :-) One more useful word to fill the gaps.