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Leonard W. Jul 30, 2015 (10:26)

Hi! This is likely something you've already discussed... if so, could you please link me to it? :) I do wonder: what is your position on -lya as a suffix for active particle? I'm admittedly very slow going because there's so much information in PE22, so I'd love to hear your opinion on it, especially since it clashes with -lya "your"...

Tamas Ferencz Jul 30, 2015 (12:26)

I don't have Parma in front of me, but I seem to recall in one of the late notes he dismisses -lya saying that it clashes with the pronominal possessive ending. Will try to find the reference later.

Александр Запрягаев Jul 30, 2015 (15:33)

+Leonard W. +Tamas Ferencz PE22:152:
_bare infin. kare. general noun karie, doing. passive n. karda, deed. instr[umental] karma, tool, implement, means. aorist passive adj. karina. also used with intrans[itives] as kwal- 'die', qualina 'dead'. aorist act[ive] karil(y)a. kdrielya (kamela). karuvalya.
kdriela. karuvaila. lya clashes with -lya, thine._
Hence, Tolkien first writes that but remembers the clash and rewrites both forms concerned.

Leonard W. Aug 05, 2015 (15:17)

+Александр Запрягаев Ah, yes, thank you for the reference. So is kar-uva-ila/ kar-ie+íla:  the form we'd use instead, do you think? I'm not quite sure what to make of it otherwise.

Александр Запрягаев Aug 05, 2015 (15:52)

+Leonard W. káriela (cf. akárie) seems a perfect participle to me. karuvaila is obviously the choice. Actually, I'm shocked by the number and variety of agglutinative tense-forms revealed in Quenya. Future perfects, futures in the past, conditionals, subjunctives, endless participles…

Leonard W. Aug 05, 2015 (16:15)

+Александр Запрягаев
Indeed! It's quite exciting, but it's also going to be tough to determine when to use what, I think. So one would append -ila to -uva?

Unrelated, I love ala- for negation. It sounds so much prettier than ú-.

Александр Запрягаев Aug 05, 2015 (16:25)

+Leonard W. Yes, just like that. I'll try to determine the complete verbal form selection we have one day.
Indeed ala for negation is pretty (and more well-described). However, it leaves us without a proper 'well-' prefix.

Leonard W. Aug 05, 2015 (16:42)

Yet one could be excessively jubilant and use mai like you just did, calling everything excellent and admirable! :D

Александр Запрягаев Aug 05, 2015 (16:42)

+Leonard W. Or just intensify with ro.