Hi! This is likely something you've already discussed... if so, could you please link me to it? :) I do wonder: what is your position on -lya as a suffix for active particle? I'm admittedly very slow going because there's so much information in PE22, so I'd love to hear your opinion on it, especially since it clashes with -lya "your"...
I don't have Parma in front of me, but I seem to recall in one of the late notes he dismisses -lya saying that it clashes with the pronominal possessive ending. Will try to find the reference later.
+Leonard W. +Tamas Ferencz PE22:152: _bare infin. kare. general noun karie, doing. passive n. karda, deed. instr[umental] karma, tool, implement, means. aorist passive adj. karina. also used with intrans[itives] as kwal- 'die', qualina 'dead'. aorist act[ive] karil(y)a. kdrielya (kamela). karuvalya. kdriela. karuvaila. lya clashes with -lya, thine._ Hence, Tolkien first writes that but remembers the clash and rewrites both forms concerned.
+Александр Запрягаев Ah, yes, thank you for the reference. So is kar-uva-ila/ kar-ie+íla: the form we'd use instead, do you think? I'm not quite sure what to make of it otherwise.
+Leonard W.káriela (cf. akárie) seems a perfect participle to me. karuvaila is obviously the choice. Actually, I'm shocked by the number and variety of agglutinative tense-forms revealed in Quenya. Future perfects, futures in the past, conditionals, subjunctives, endless participles…
+Александр Запрягаев Indeed! It's quite exciting, but it's also going to be tough to determine when to use what, I think. So one would append -ila to -uva?
Unrelated, I love ala- for negation. It sounds so much prettier than ú-.
+Leonard W. Yes, just like that. I'll try to determine the complete verbal form selection we have one day. Indeed ala for negation is pretty (and more well-described). However, it leaves us without a proper 'well-' prefix.
Tamas Ferencz Jul 30, 2015 (12:26)
Александр Запрягаев Jul 30, 2015 (15:33)
_bare infin. kare. general noun karie, doing. passive n. karda, deed. instr[umental] karma, tool, implement, means. aorist passive adj. karina. also used with intrans[itives] as kwal- 'die', qualina 'dead'. aorist act[ive] karil(y)a. kdrielya (kamela). karuvalya.
kdriela. karuvaila. lya clashes with -lya, thine._
Hence, Tolkien first writes that but remembers the clash and rewrites both forms concerned.
Leonard W. Aug 05, 2015 (15:17)
Александр Запрягаев Aug 05, 2015 (15:52)
Leonard W. Aug 05, 2015 (16:15)
Indeed! It's quite exciting, but it's also going to be tough to determine when to use what, I think. So one would append -ila to -uva?
Unrelated, I love ala- for negation. It sounds so much prettier than ú-.
Александр Запрягаев Aug 05, 2015 (16:25)
Indeed ala for negation is pretty (and more well-described). However, it leaves us without a proper 'well-' prefix.
Leonard W. Aug 05, 2015 (16:42)
Александр Запрягаев Aug 05, 2015 (16:42)