Quite the opposite: the only forms fitting the great revamp of omentielvo. Here b is obviously paired with a due to its length stopped by a following cluster; I reconstruct it as * kw, with the second-person marker paired with first plural inclusive for emphasis and/or phonetic reasons (cf. Q. nque from N+K+W). The whole system could be fitted like that:
Well, f seems to be the 1st p. pl. verbal suffix, while b might be either the inclusive form (if f represents the exclusive) or the 1st p. dual ending. (Note that the final a of atha- becomes o in athof (as in athon) but not in athab.) It is a question, however, whether "classical" sindarin kept duality and/or clusivity or these had been lost.
Anyway, considering the uncertainty in the meaning of these suffixes, I, for my part, continue to adhere to the usage of m.
I think that Tolkien changed his mind on these suffixes, perhaps with the great revamp of omentielvo as Alexander puts it. Clearly, we see the (old) -m suffix as (new) -f [v] in PE22. The two of us have been using these for a year now.
I have adopted -(o)f and -b, because I can see the history behind them. I also use -nc for "you and I".
The suffixes that come from double consonants, -b from -kwe, -nc from -nki made the long A lose its length, which is why we have Athab versus Athof, Athon, Athol.
The earlier suffix, -m, assumed a history of -mme, which Tolkien scraped later on, deciding that the duplicated consonant was a Quenya-only innovation for the dual plural. That would mean that the ancient suffix was -me, which makes it -(o)f in Sindarin, and it is confirmed in PE22, so I use the later system. Source: VT49/51
Александр Запрягаев Oct 13, 2016 (12:52)
-n
-g/-l
-zero/-a
-f/-b
-dh
-r
Tamas Ferencz Oct 13, 2016 (14:07)
Ekin Gören Oct 13, 2016 (15:45)
http://eldamo.org/content/words/word-1398518783.html
http://eldamo.org/content/words/word-3344108077.html
Lőrinczi Gábor Oct 13, 2016 (15:59)
Anyway, considering the uncertainty in the meaning of these suffixes, I, for my part, continue to adhere to the usage of m.
Tamas Ferencz Oct 13, 2016 (16:17)
Ekin Gören Oct 13, 2016 (16:24)
"CE: *lindâ-me -> *linna-ve -> *linna-v -> S: **linnaf"
I think that Tolkien changed his mind on these suffixes, perhaps with the great revamp of omentielvo as Alexander puts it. Clearly, we see the (old) -m suffix as (new) -f [v] in PE22. The two of us have been using these for a year now.
Lőrinczi Gábor Oct 13, 2016 (16:43)
Ekin Gören Oct 13, 2016 (17:19)
Lőrinczi Gábor Oct 13, 2016 (17:45)
Fiona Jallings Oct 13, 2016 (21:20)
The suffixes that come from double consonants, -b from -kwe, -nc from -nki made the long A lose its length, which is why we have Athab versus Athof, Athon, Athol.
The earlier suffix, -m, assumed a history of -mme, which Tolkien scraped later on, deciding that the duplicated consonant was a Quenya-only innovation for the dual plural. That would mean that the ancient suffix was -me, which makes it -(o)f in Sindarin, and it is confirmed in PE22, so I use the later system. Source: VT49/51