I've been analyzing Sindarin tenses a bit, as I write homework assignments, and something occurred to me.
In Sindarin:
b>v>w /_#
m>ɱ>v>w /_#
But in Noldorin, this stopped at the /v/ stage. Thus we have in Noldorin:
“lick” lhaf- > “it/he/she licks” lhâf
For the sake of consistency and normalization, shouldn’t we conjugate such 3rd person singular verbs like so:
lav- > law
What do you think?
Lőrinczi Gábor May 14, 2013 (17:02)
And what's _# supposed to mean?
Roman Rausch May 14, 2013 (21:21)
The notation _# means 'in final position', _C would be before the consonant C. It's a formalism I don't really understand - it doesn't save much writing effort and makes it less readable to others...
Fiona Jallings May 14, 2013 (21:27)
In Sindarin, /v/ became a /w/ when it is found between a Vowel and the end of a word. (The underscore stands for the letter I was talking about, and the pound sign stands for the end of a word. The V is shorthand for "any Vowel".)
Evidence: (I'll use Sindarin/Noldorin VS Quenya because that's easy)
Q. lómë - S. dû (-w deleted in presence of /u/)
Q. lúmë - S. lû
Q. tuima - N. tuiw
Q. hráva - S. rhaw (see also: rhavan)
Q. caima - N. caew
Q. laive - N. glaew
Q. haime - N. haew
Q. himya- - N. hîw
Q. yáve - N. iaw
Q. quáme - N. paw
Q. ráva - N. raw
Q. roime - N. ruiw
Tolkien, even in the Noldorin phrase, was considering this idea, but applied it inconsistently - or so it seems. I'm not sure. I do know that it's described in PE17:133 for final m.
Björn Fromén May 16, 2013 (15:08)
Fiona Jallings May 16, 2013 (16:36)
What about Fladrif? Why does this /v/ stay around?
Could the name have been formed before this change, leaving the /v/ behind a short /i/?
Or perhaps the missing element is Stress, not the number of morae the syllable takes. That may actually be simpler. But what about Orome-Araw?
This stream of conscious linguistic babble brought to you by 8 AM and a looming interview. I hope it's not too unintelligible.
Björn Fromén May 19, 2013 (23:18)
Fiona Jallings May 19, 2013 (23:50)
Maybe it was long, became part of the name, lost length, then the v>w change happened - meaning that the conditions for the change no longer existed.
Björn Fromén May 20, 2013 (02:40)
Fiona Jallings May 20, 2013 (04:58)
Roman Rausch May 26, 2013 (23:52)
http://www.tolkiendil.com/langues/english/i-lam_arth/vowel_affection_sindarin_noldorin
But back to the topic: Already in the Etymologies we find N. nîf < nībe (NIB-) and N. rhîf corresponding to Q. ríma (RĪ-). In later Sindarin, there is also îf 'cliff' < īb- (PE17:92) (rhîw is an uncertain case, I find to primitive form given), so it would appear that N. hîw < khīmā is the oddball here.
After diphthongs we have N. hnuif < *sneumi (SNEW-) with preserved /v/ in contrast to rhui(w) < *roime (ROY1-), tuiw < tuimā (TUY-) and others.
For later Sindarin both patterns are attested as well, see S. oew < okma (PE17:170) and S. lhoew, Q. hloima (PE17:185), but S. raef, Q. raima (VT42:12).
From an external perspective it seems that this is one of those sound shifts Tolkien didn't have a fixed, immutable conception of. From an internal perspective one could explain the variations by dialect loans.
In Araw, we have /auv/ > /aw/ both according to WJ:400, as well as PE17:153 - this development does seem to be a fixed conception, so it's unproblematic.
But it's a good thing that you brought this up, since I've realized that N. rhîf was regularised to S. *rîw in our wordlists which seems completely unjustified.