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Tamas Ferencz May 23, 2016 (14:39)

Nótime árillor né *tittaiwi [1] tutúlier tutullier [2] lotarwammanna. Níke, linte, karaiti, maline-morne-ninqui, ta kólime i polinte kape lótello lótenna lá *aptala[3] in telkor.

[1] 'tit, titmouse' for want of a better idea for now - suggestions welcome
[2] 'have been coming/visiting' freq. of tul-
[3] 'bend (transitive)' from GAP 'bend (tr.) VT47

Ицхак Пензев May 23, 2016 (16:09)

Rather tutullier. PE22 mentions it. on p. 96:
«the "repetitive" form with reduplication and gemination of the final basic consonant was so common in Q. as to be virtually part of the system of "strong" verbs; so tutulla-, to keep on coming (and going).»

Ицхак Пензев May 23, 2016 (16:10)

I need a word for 'mouse' 😞

Tamas Ferencz May 23, 2016 (16:30)

+Ицхак Пензев
thá. Emmáratuvanyes.

Tamas Ferencz May 23, 2016 (16:36)

+Ицхак Пензев
the Gnomish word for mouse seems to come from 'creep, steal' so maybe something from SLIK?

Tamas Ferencz May 23, 2016 (16:42)

*hlikko? *lilhikko ? see p113

Ицхак Пензев May 23, 2016 (17:53)

+Tamas Ferencz
very dubious. Helge had suggested to bind it with nyarro 'rat' and make a diminutive (because many European languages did not distingish them for quite a long time). But I think these creatures are different enough to be distinguished. Maybe I'll try nippo based on Gn. nib.

Ицхак Пензев May 23, 2016 (17:55)

Btw, it looks like repetitive has no perfect form, only aorist-present tutulla, past tutullanë and future tutulluva. (PE22:110)

Tamas Ferencz May 23, 2016 (17:55)

+Ицхак Пензев
in what way is it dubious?

Ицхак Пензев May 23, 2016 (17:55)

Btw, it looks like repetitive has no perfect form, only aorist-present tutulla, past tutullanë and future tutulluva. (PE22:110)

Ицхак Пензев May 23, 2016 (18:02)

+Tamas Ferencz
I am sorry, maybe I am not precise in wording. English is not my native language.
I meant that I am not confident about coining a word for mouse from the stem √SLIK.

Tamas Ferencz May 23, 2016 (18:27)

+Ицхак Пензев
fair enough, although Tolkien seems to have followed that semantic path in G nig

Ицхак Пензев May 23, 2016 (18:37)

Now I see. I had had to consult the original PE11, not a mere index. Then it may be nicco, though the stem is further reinterpreted into √NIK 'small' (VT47:26) — that's a lucky coincidence.

Tamas Ferencz May 23, 2016 (20:20)

+Ицхак Пензев
the Qenya verb from the same root appears to be naqa- => *naqua- => *nacco?

Ицхак Пензев May 23, 2016 (21:01)

I see. It is possible. Nevertheless, I liked the word play of nicco. A nice small creature, indeed.

Ицхак Пензев May 24, 2016 (07:55)

+Tamas Ferencz
If we follow the pattern from Gn. nigla, we get something like *naqual. Is it satisfactory? I don't like the result.

James Coish Jun 01, 2016 (23:15)

+Ицхак Пензев I too came to this conclusion. ...*naqual...but *nacco has a better sound.

Tamas Ferencz Jun 02, 2016 (00:18)

+James Coish and we have quite a few attested animal words ending in -co

James Coish Jun 02, 2016 (00:52)

That I see...rusco, quáco, morco, corco...to name a few.