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Tamas Ferencz Nov 04, 2015 (11:30)

Canvassing your thoughts how you guys would express in Quenya the adverb/adjective late, as in 'you are late' or 'late night'.
EQ has the adjective telwa glossed as 'last, late'. Also the root TELES was devised to yield the name for the Teleri - thus associated with 'lagging behind' which fits the meaning. However, the later Quenya derivatives all seem rather associated with 'end, conclusion, last in series'.

What do you think?

Paul Strack Nov 04, 2015 (15:59)

Last and late are related etymologically in English, so it isn't far fetched. Perhaps telwa "late" originally had the sense "towards the end".

Tamas Ferencz Nov 04, 2015 (16:56)

+Paul Strack
perhaps, yes. The question is whether the later adjectives (tella, telda) can carry the meaning of 'late' or should one "resurrect" telwa for this specific meaning?

Björn Fromén Nov 04, 2015 (23:32)

Could *nólóme be used for 'late night'? Cf. the month names Nótuile *'late spring', Nólaire *'late summer' etc. (PME:135)

ܤܡܝ ܦܠܕܢܝܘܤ Nov 04, 2015 (23:35)

1) Adj. *epe-, olla-lúm(ess)ëa, *lúme-lahtaina/langaina ?
2) Work with LEB/LEM or lenda- etc. (in light of Latin; qq. Germ. *sainiz : ON seinn ‘slow, slack’, OEng. sǽne ‘slow, dull, sluggish’).
3) E.g. hampa > *hampië > *hampiénen ?

Tamas Ferencz Nov 05, 2015 (00:01)

+Björn Fromén that's interesting!

Tamas Ferencz Nov 05, 2015 (08:55)

+ܤܡܝ ܦܠܕܢܝܘܤ
hampa is actually quite good! I could see it develop a sense of lateness if this were a natural language.

Tamas Ferencz Nov 05, 2015 (08:58)

Also: ca/cata/cana? 'behind, back of place', _*calúmea?

Александр Запрягаев Nov 11, 2015 (20:00)

+Tamas Ferencz Maybe working from Salo's abdollen? Just *apatul- etc.

Tamas Ferencz Nov 12, 2015 (08:42)