G+ LoME Archive
Dec 19, 2017 (11:35)
Dec 20, 2017 (00:53)
Change of nm > nw is more frequent than assimilation of nm > mm, so maybe menwa. But this sounds plausible to me.
Dec 20, 2017 (10:14)
menwa could equally work
Dec 20, 2017 (10:17)
Dec 20, 2017 (12:06)
(1) PE19:96 says that
occurs usually when the stem ended in
suffix, so this is our case.
(2) A couple of years ago somebody suggested a word
for an automobile (it might be you, Tamas). I feel ok with it.
Dec 20, 2017 (17:27)
I think it was me, yes. Not sure about the
Dec 20, 2017 (20:31)
Let one also not forget the perfectly usable attested items at
or the verbal stem
"to move" (intr.). I also wonder what JRRT's mind on the root KEL became after he thought up
By the way, the Finnish counterpart that's actually being used is not *
or even *
kulku+peli, kulku+neuvo, ajo+neuvo
— whereas in standard Estonian one
find the 'vehiculum'-type formation
Dec 21, 2017 (00:14)
Dec 21, 2017 (00:25)
Dec 21, 2017 (05:17)
In my opinion,
works okay for ‘car'. Or, at least, not worse than other variants. I didn't know this word earlier.
Dec 21, 2017 (10:35)
Bjorn has been using
for "sleigh, sled" as the root implies dragging, pulling.
Dec 21, 2017 (11:20)
could also work for "train"
Dec 21, 2017 (12:01)
in Elfling #27189 you suggested
for 'train'. It makes more sense than Helge's
too close to
'danger'? It may be confusing. In my attempts of "conversational Quenya" two years ago I tried
, but I don't like it as a very early word.
Dec 21, 2017 (13:09)
well those are all variations on the same theme, aren't they: a root meaning 'pull, drag, draw', and a noun derived from it. So we can use one for one meaning, the other for another one...
Norolle is perfectly fine I think because the verb nor- is well attested in later periods.
And I am not really bothered by raxa being close to raxe...
Dec 21, 2017 (15:15)
I agree with you 100%. As for
, I thought it was somehow connected to
'heavy'. Now I read an entry in Eldamo and saw I was mistaken.
Dec 21, 2017 (23:58)
I based my use of
for 'sleigh' on the gloss "a drag" in PE 17:28. Per OED "drag" can mean, i.a., "an overland conveyance without wheels; a rough kind of sledge".
is only known from GL, where
is associated with rolling and wheels. There is no trace of that sense in late sources.
Dec 22, 2017 (12:10)
I feel frustrated in my search of consensus.