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Tamas Ferencz Jan 30, 2018 (18:22)

Putting the problem out here as well, for folks who are less 'instant ', like myself: verbs for "to buy" and "to sell"in Quenya.

Tamas Ferencz Jan 30, 2018 (18:40)

Thinking of my native Hungarian, the "usual" verb for 'to buy' is basically the same as 'to take'. The other one is a verb formed from the noun meaning "fair, market".

Tamas Ferencz Jan 30, 2018 (18:41)

Oh, and "to sell" in Hungarian is simply "to give away, give off".

Ицхак Пензев Jan 30, 2018 (19:45)

The same in Turkish, if I remember correctly.

ܤܡܝ ܦܠܕܢܝܘܤ Jan 30, 2018 (22:44)

"To buy" = "to trade" + desired object in the Accusative + payment method in the Dative case seems sensible enough to me at the moment.

Tamas Ferencz Jan 30, 2018 (23:53)

+ܤܡܝ ܦܠܕܢܝܘܤ but how does that differentiate between buying and selling something? They are both trading something for money,

Tamas Ferencz Jan 31, 2018 (13:58)

I'm wondering if napan- plus maybe a reflexive in dative or allative could be used in a broader sense for "to obtain, acquire, procure, get". Of course it could also be as simple as anta- plus a reflexive.

Ицхак Пензев Jan 31, 2018 (14:25)

No satisfactory solution yet.

ܤܡܝ ܦܠܕܢܝܘܤ Jan 31, 2018 (15:27)

+Tamas Ferencz There is only one interpretation when it is spoken by the party without the item to the one with it.

Whereas netë/&c. (+A) tyelpenen/X-nen could hardly be understood as "sell" in any context.

Ицхак Пензев Jan 31, 2018 (16:45)

Well, "to take / to get by trading" and "to give out by trading" seem like having precedents in natural languages. Though manciénen sounds too long to be a prefix :-(

Tamas Ferencz Jan 31, 2018 (18:40)

+Ицхак Пензев it might potentially be something as simple as manka- for "to buy", and aumanka- for "to sell".

James Coish Jan 31, 2018 (19:02)

anta telpe mankan/mankain 'to buy'?
kame telpe mankan/mankain 'to sell'?

Or adversely:

kame manka/mankain telpen 'to buy'?
anta manka/mankar telpen 'to sell'?

Though I like your ideas, being shorter.

Ицхак Пензев Jan 31, 2018 (22:06)

+Tamas Ferencz that's Deutsch! Kaufen and verkaufen.

Tamas Ferencz Jan 31, 2018 (22:36)

+Ицхак Пензев indeed, now that you mention it... but that's not necessarily a problem ☺

Ицхак Пензев Feb 01, 2018 (06:38)

+Tamas Ferencz that is not a problem, that's a clever solution!

Björn Fromén Feb 01, 2018 (18:10)

If *au-manca- is 'sell' ('give out by trading'), then 'buy' ('get by trading') could naturally be *hó-manca- , cf. the antonyms auciri- ~ hóciri- (WJ:368).