How would you make a verb 'become heavy'? I think to start from a CE pattern luñgu-tā? I presume that the causative formant makes a-affection and medial ng remains, hence *longoda-. Any alternative opinions?
I am not on top with my Sindarin phonetics. Would a causative (luñgu-tā) 'make heavy' would result in a different form from an inceptive luñgu-tă 'be made heavy, become heavy'? (PE22:157) - or would they collide in an identical form?
+Tamas Ferencz My mistake, of course I meant it short. But it seems that the derivation of verbs from adjectives can perform two ways: • with ta in the inceptive meaning 'become smth.' • with causative tā in the meaning 'make smth.' (PE22:135). Tolkien seems to play with the idea that inceptives are made with -s forms, but in 1969 materials we get, for example, Q. ninquita meaning both 'to make white' and 'to become white', coalescing in all itw Eldarin derivatives. In the 'Common Eldarin' concept, the 'become heavy' idea would rather result in luñgusjā form, which in S. would yield I'm unsure what exactly! UPDATE: *lœngœchia, if not lengeichia, apparently.
+Leonard W. If there were any associations of al with 'becoming' (as there definitely were with 'goodness'), they are all obsoleted by selecting al for negation. CE verb galā is derived from the stem GAL and would indeed yield ala in Quenya, but that does not shift the 'plant' concept. olā is described, for example, at PE22:134.
+Leonard W. If we address to the 'Common Eldarin: Noun Structure', we find that Tolkien explicitly separated the two roots, OL for 'become' and GAL (as in PE17) for 'grow'. Curiously, the concept of s-inceptives from this work is absent from any earlier or later work, and in 1969 Tolkien readily accepts ninkwita for both 'become white' and 'make white' with only different conjugation of ninkwinten inceptive against ninkwitanen causative.
+Leonard W. That's an inherently continuous verb, so I'd prefer not to make aorists and settle on olad, olon, olanthen (úlen?), olathon, olol, úliel (eliel?), olanthen.
Tamas Ferencz Jul 23, 2015 (13:04)
Александр Запрягаев Jul 23, 2015 (18:04)
• with ta in the inceptive meaning 'become smth.'
• with causative tā in the meaning 'make smth.' (PE22:135). Tolkien seems to play with the idea that inceptives are made with -s forms, but in 1969 materials we get, for example, Q. ninquita meaning both 'to make white' and 'to become white', coalescing in all itw Eldarin derivatives. In the 'Common Eldarin' concept, the 'become heavy' idea would rather result in luñgusjā form, which in S. would yield I'm unsure what exactly!
UPDATE: *lœngœchia, if not lengeichia, apparently.
Leonard W. Jul 26, 2015 (17:33)
Александр Запрягаев Jul 26, 2015 (17:39)
Leonard W. Jul 26, 2015 (17:54)
But then, maybe 'ala isn't derived from the same root as gala-? I honestly dont' know much about derivation.
How did you arrive at olā?
Leonard W. Jul 26, 2015 (18:07)
Александр Запрягаев Jul 26, 2015 (18:10)
olā is described, for example, at PE22:134.
Leonard W. Jul 26, 2015 (18:13)
OL seems to be the better way to go.
Александр Запрягаев Jul 26, 2015 (18:16)
Leonard W. Jul 30, 2015 (10:32)
Out of curiosity, what would OL become in Sindarin? ol- > elin "I [am] becoming"?
Александр Запрягаев Jul 30, 2015 (15:02)
Leonard W. Jul 30, 2015 (15:23)
Matt Dinse Aug 05, 2015 (06:00)
"Curiously, the concept of s-inceptives from this work is absent from any earlier or later work"
I wonder if the unglossed tankarya (PE17:76) would beg to differ, though that's from arya and probably the 1950s.