S (and Q) word for "part, piece" and "partly, to some extent". I thought of using ú-bant for the latter, but that doesn't really help me with the former. I also think of a word for "hour" as a unit of time rather than "occasion, moment", i.e. to measure how long time. I thought of using something like "one twelfth of a day", as the day (not including the night) has twelve hours (at least during spring and autumn equinox), but I am not sure how to do it or indeed if it would be a beautiful solution. Another variant might be lúeg or similar, as lû and a diminutive suffix.
I use "sath" for "part" in my own speech. I had an idea about "sad=area" could be altered to mean "part" and there is "hadh" which seems to mean "cleaver" so I thought "sath" could mean "cutted piece, part".
As you can see, this is nothing academic of course, just a creative idea of mine. :) And there is a Quenya verb "sati-" which means "to set aside" so "sath" is good enough for me.
As for "hour" I don't have any ideas. But with using diminutive suffix, it may as well mean "minute / second" instead of "hour".
+Ekin Gören beat me to most of my suggestions. I was going to propose something based on the root SAT “divide, mark off”, normally used of space but also applicable to time (VT42/19, VT48/11). His suggestion of sath "part" (maybe from primitive *satta) sounds plausible to me.
As for "hour", maybe something like "day-part" using the suffix -sta "part" attested in Quenya? Maybe primitive *auri-sta > aurest > ores(t)?
Such a pity Tolkien gave us no indication how he would've formed fractions in Sindarin, corresponding to Q caista etc. (or rather we have not seen one yet)
+Tamas Ferencz David Salo makes use of canath "fourth part" (PM:45) to reconstruct the Sindarin fractions on Gateway p. 400 (by assuming canath is from OS *kanattʰa and contains CE *-tā which he then applies on the other numeral roots).
Given that the Elves don't work in the same time constraints as us, I'm not convinced they would bother with divisions as small as 'an hour'. Hours are a very mortal concern.
I think that "hour" is a large enough time unit even for elves. Sometimes they where on time-constraints. Minutes and seconds seems too small to bother with though.
Days weren't always thought of as neat 24 hour periods though - an Elf nowadays, sure, they'd have their tablet with the digital clock on the lock screen and they'd tell the time the same way we do, but in the Third Age? Not convinced. Given they work in a duodecimal system, I imagine it was more along the lines of Ancient Sumeria, where the day was divided into 12 periods of time.
Yes, that was what I meant. Of course they had a shorter unit of time than "day", and one twelfth of a day seems like a good unit. I call that unit "hour" in english, but I really don't mean that it's the same length of time as an mundane, modern hour, only in roughly the same order of magnitude.
Ekin Gören Mar 02, 2015 (22:15)
As you can see, this is nothing academic of course, just a creative idea of mine. :) And there is a Quenya verb "sati-" which means "to set aside" so "sath" is good enough for me.
As for "hour" I don't have any ideas. But with using diminutive suffix, it may as well mean "minute / second" instead of "hour".
Tamas Ferencz Mar 02, 2015 (23:25)
Paul Strack Mar 03, 2015 (04:28)
As for "hour", maybe something like "day-part" using the suffix -sta "part" attested in Quenya? Maybe primitive *auri-sta > aurest > ores(t)?
Ekin Gören Mar 03, 2015 (05:04)
Hjalmar Holm Mar 03, 2015 (10:04)
ܤܡܝ ܦܠܕܢܝܘܤ Mar 03, 2015 (13:18)
Tamas Ferencz Mar 03, 2015 (13:46)
ܤܡܝ ܦܠܕܢܝܘܤ Mar 03, 2015 (18:04)
David Salo makes use of canath "fourth part" (PM:45) to reconstruct the Sindarin fractions on Gateway p. 400 (by assuming canath is from OS *kanattʰa and contains CE *-tā which he then applies on the other numeral roots).
Tamas Ferencz Mar 03, 2015 (18:21)
Jenna Carpenter Mar 03, 2015 (20:01)
Hjalmar Holm Mar 03, 2015 (20:08)
Jenna Carpenter Mar 03, 2015 (20:18)
Hjalmar Holm Mar 03, 2015 (22:04)
Hjalmar Holm Mar 08, 2015 (18:32)
orathinstead of orest. Immath , from _imp_might also be an idea, +Jenna CarpenterTamas Ferencz Mar 08, 2015 (19:02)
Hjalmar Holm Mar 08, 2015 (19:24)