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Post 9QU263Q4vJK
Александр Запрягаев, ܤܡܝ ܦܠܕܢܝܘܤ, Fiona Jallings, VinQuettaParma, Hjalmar Holm, Tamas Ferencz

Fiona Jallings Jan 22, 2016 (07:07)

Neo-Sindarin word for "to taste" and "taste", based on Quenya tyav- and tyávë and KJAB: cav- and cauf. What do you think?

Tamas Ferencz Jan 22, 2016 (09:14)

Works for me.

Александр Запрягаев Jan 22, 2016 (12:06)

WHAT have you done with LVS6 PE22:152?? Why the complete Sindarin paradigm of the cognate does not fit?

Tamas Ferencz Jan 22, 2016 (12:18)

+Александр Запрягаев
touché. Forgot about that.

ܤܡܝ ܦܠܕܢܝܘܤ Jan 22, 2016 (19:57)

Given the entry SYAD- [Etym:389], perhaps the verb might also alternatively be derived from a CE single action noun *kjab–ta/–to. I'm unsure as to what the ultimate Sindarin result would be, though. (Morris-Jones' A Welsh Grammar § 93 tempered by VT47&48 = *–abt– > *–apt– >> ?)

[No S cognate of Q tapta given in VT39:17?]

Александр Запрягаев Jan 22, 2016 (20:37)

+ܤܡܝ ܦܠܕܢܝܘܤ +ܤܡܝ ܦܠܕܢܝܘܤ +ܤܡܝ ܦܠܕܢܝܘܤ +ܤܡܝ ܦܠܕܢܝܘܤ
It would have gone to aptha and then presumably remain as such (no attested, but cf. Ecthelion, Belecthor).
However, with KYAW, which seems to be the final form of the stem, a basic ablauted caw < kauw < kjâw-a is suggested. Also kilme is not to be forgotten. cilf or rather cilith/cileth?

Fiona Jallings Jan 22, 2016 (20:58)

Argh, I forgot about the newer root KYAW - it slipped my mind because it's not yet in all the online dictionaries. Oh well.

Hjalmar Holm Jan 26, 2016 (13:39)

So, what is the new idea? Already there is an entry cil- in the VQP and caw exists already as "top".