I've been exploring Q phonology and have a few questions about how morphemes combine in some educationally motivated situations:
√NIK + mapa- + -ite "little grabby (one)" > ?*ninkapaite, ?*ningwapaite
Are either of these likely ways of handling :km:?
I've searched Eldamo and found examples like ✶lukma > lunka, ✶okma > ongwe so either seems possible but I seek experience. I've used √NIK instead of níka, ninki and mapa- instead of napa- for learning purposes.
Also, in such cases would the "older" forms be more like ?*niŋkapaite, ?*niŋgwapaite to match up the places of articulation?
Finally, in hypothetical ✶eŋ- + -ta > ?*enta- "to create, (lit. cause to exist)", is this way of handling :ŋt: likely? I've found no guiding examples. We already have onta- for "to create" so this too is for learning/exploration.
Tamas Ferencz Dec 05, 2017 (15:08)
Whether Quenya would typically make compounds like your example, I don't know. Perhaps it would just stick to separate words.
Tamas Ferencz Dec 05, 2017 (15:12)
Tamas Ferencz Dec 05, 2017 (15:24)
http://eldamo.org/content/words/word-2143444883.htmlcover your last
Robert Reynolds Dec 05, 2017 (16:05)
As for other approaches to my toy compound, I agree that there are several viable alternatives. As for direct prefixion of √NIK there is at least ✶niktil > nihtil from VT47:26 although -til is a suffix there. VT48:18 gives the original source material on √NIK and VT48:15 references a prefix piki- and prefixed adjectives pitya >> nitya in compounds (WJ and PM are original source references), so perhaps *niki- could be an updated prefix and nitya is attested as the first element in a compound (Nityafinwe). Certainly the suffix or separate words work fine. In this case I'm mainly trying to more deeply understand how such compounding works for potential future non-toy situations.
Tamas Ferencz Dec 05, 2017 (16:10)
Tamas Ferencz Dec 05, 2017 (16:22)
So km > ngw might be OK. Not sure.
Robert Reynolds Dec 05, 2017 (16:33)
Paul Strack Dec 05, 2017 (21:27)
1) The phonetic notes in Eldamo are very much in a “rough draft” state and should not be relied on without verification against original sources.
2) The rejection of km > ngw is mentioned in multiple places, notably PE17/44 and PE19/85. The new development appears on PE19/85 - km > kw. Often, though, km would undergo metathesis to mk > nk.
The most notable example of the phonetic change is Q. tengwa
eldamo.org - Eldamo : Quenya : tengwa
The original primitive form of this word was tekma, but after the revised phonology, Tolkien invented a new primitive form tenwa.
Matt Dinse Dec 26, 2017 (06:31)
Robert Reynolds Dec 26, 2017 (13:23)