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Tamas Ferencz Jan 15, 2016 (11:14)

Some possible neologisms/derivations:

*itya- "multiply, repeat"
*ítea "multiple, manifold"

*alanetya "plain, unadorned, simple, ordinary";

*lap- or *lapa- "fold, bend, ply"?

Eldamo : Primitive Elvish : IT²
√IT² root. “repeat, multiply”. References ✧ PE17/112.1202; PE17/112.2504; PE17/156.0801. Glosses. “(great) enhancement” ✧ PE17/112.1202 (IT); “repeat, multiply” ✧ PE17/112.2504; PE17/156.0801. Derivatives. > Q. íta² “very, extremely” ✧ PE17/112.1210; PE17/112.1217; PE17/112.2511 ...

Fiona Jallings Jan 16, 2016 (03:35)

My one problem is with lapa-. What would the derivation of Sindarin's laba- be? Or would these be homonyms?

Tamas Ferencz Jan 16, 2016 (11:53)

+Fiona Jallings
lapa- is not necessarily the form that could be used if it introduces difficulties down the line. lap- is plausible (see kap-), or even lapta- (see tapta-).

ܤܡܝ ܦܠܕܢܝܘܤ Jan 16, 2016 (18:47)

Any ideas for "profit, gain, income"? Simply update Qe. rauna > !roi-na(r), roian(i) ? (cf. Icelandic tekjur, pl.)
I also wouldn't mind hearing people's fav neologisms for "reputation" (*esse-himbar, -hilya ?).

Tamas Ferencz Jan 17, 2016 (00:01)

I coined *cambie for "intake, income, profit, gain" from KAB; it's in VQP.

Tamas Ferencz Jan 17, 2016 (13:05)

For reputation, there is the EQ noun ais 'good name'; for a more neutral meaning, perhaps *essenyáre 'recount of the name"?

ܤܡܝ ܦܠܕܢܝܘܤ Jan 17, 2016 (13:47)

+Tamas Ferencz
Thanks, VQP the Neolexicon [] slipped my mind for some reason. After having a look at TAM- (Etym.), *cambië now makes more sense to me.

ܤܡܝ ܦܠܕܢܝܘܤ Jan 17, 2016 (17:23)

I wonder if *itya-me-sta (cf. tengwesta) could describe that thing they teach in schools..

Björn Fromén Jan 17, 2016 (17:40)

*ítea I would rather connect with íta 'flash', thus 'flashing' or 'flashy'. For 'multiple' perhaps *itya (used adjectivally) or *inta (< *it-nā).

Tamas Ferencz Jan 17, 2016 (18:29)

*inta is really elegant

Tamas Ferencz Jan 20, 2016 (10:12)

+ܤܡܝ ܦܠܕܢܝܘܤ
the answer to 'reputation' may be glaring at us at the top of page 110. of PE22, which gives the much-wanted (how did I not register it before?) TAL "appraise, esteem, value", tatalla admire, wonder at (the excellence of).

Thus 'reputation' could be simply *talaste; or if you'd like to be more specific, perhaps *esse-talaste.

It also makes me wonder whether reduplication beside being a method for the frequentative might also serve as an approximation of the intensifying prefix re we see in so many English (and other IE) verbs, like respect, regard, recognize, etc.

Hjalmar Holm Jan 26, 2016 (13:48)

+Tamas Ferencz Any idea for a verb counterpart to *cambie, "to gain, win, recieve"?

Tamas Ferencz Jan 26, 2016 (14:19)

+Hjalmar Holm
cam- is attested as "receive"

Hjalmar Holm Jan 27, 2016 (11:54)

Ah, I remembered having problem with that verb, but it was in S it was missing. Simply borrowing cam- into S should not be too problematic, right?

Fiona Jallings Jan 31, 2016 (00:58)

Actually, there's no verb roots in Sindarin that end with M, because the Ms became Vs. So, a cognate borrowed into Sindarin would be cav-.

Hjalmar Holm Feb 02, 2016 (14:40)

Do all the final m's in S come from other roots, such like MB or B? cam as a noun exists in S.

Fiona Jallings Feb 02, 2016 (16:29)

Word-final Ms in Sindarin come from earlier MM, MB, and MP.