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Tamas Ferencz Feb 09, 2015 (12:35)

Milyas Menelwa Lannín

Samumnen cé menelwa netyaine lanni,
As míri sisilcala cáleva,
I luine, i néce, i morne lanni
i yucáleva, lómeva, cáleva,
Cé pantuvan i lanni nu talilyat talalyat:
Mal inye, úna, er same lórenyar;
Lórenyar apantien nu talilyat talalyat;
A vanta milyave an vantal or lórenyar.

He Wishes For the Cloths Of Heaven

HAD I the heavens' embroidered cloths,
Enwrought with golden and silver light,
The blue and the dim and the dark cloths
Of night and light and the half-light,
I would spread the cloths under your feet:
But I, being poor, have only my dreams;
I have spread my dreams under your feet;
Tread softly because you tread on my dreams.

W.B. Yeats

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Björn Fromén Feb 10, 2015 (23:30)

talilyat: perhaps rather talalyat with ómataima? Cf. the locative tala-sse and the adjective tala-ite (VT 43:16, 49:42).

Tamas Ferencz Feb 11, 2015 (09:11)

+Björn Fromén
you are probably correct. My first instinct was **talulya, but the atttested dual is talwi so probabl that wouldn't have been correct, either.

Thanks!

Björn Fromén Feb 11, 2015 (22:48)

talulya seems quite acceptable to me, or even preferable as it refers to a natural pair. The duals in -wi occur in QL and the early Qenya Grammar, but apparently they were then abandoned. I don't think they are valid in later conceptions.

Tamas Ferencz Feb 12, 2015 (09:04)

+Björn Fromén
that is a sound reasoning, but do we have the dual marker u plus possessive pronominal ending attested anywhere? All I can remember seeing were pronominal + t.

Björn Fromén Feb 13, 2015 (23:47)

You are right of course, attested duals of nouns with pronominal affixes are scarce indeed. I can only think of máryat and mántat, with dual ending -t like the simple mát; are there any more?
According to PE 21:63 the CE duality marker ū "formed nouns that were formally and syntactically singular and denoted natural pairs, as e.g. the two ears (of one person)" [= Q hlaru]. I think this points to *talulya as a plausible way of rendering 'your (pair of) feet'.

Tamas Ferencz Feb 14, 2015 (00:47)

Then there's of course ciryat, the dual possessive of the noun ci :)